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Location: Oley, PA | Very shiny, seller claims Factory Air Power Steering and Power Windows. That would make this an unusually well-equipped 57 Belvedere.
Sell also claims a "full ground up restoration" which is a bit of a stretch. I suppose it's all in how you define a restoration.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1957-Plymouth-Belvedere-sport-/172830804240...
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Location: Lubbock, TX | "restoration" has come to mean a respray and interior. Sadly, few people know the difference between those cars and actual ground up restorations to #1 condition. This car appears nice at first glance, interior is incorrect fabrics but not offensive or distracting. Unfortunately, the photo quality is terrible and gosh that makes it hard to see details and discern the quality of the car.  Definitely would recommend a full in-person inspection on this one.
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Location: CA | There are a LOT of liberties taken with this car. It's nice, I'm not saying otherwise but it will be rather costly to make right if you're that kind of guy and I am and that's what I see. The interior has been mentioned, I doubt the dash and column were blue, I've seen blue/white plastic wheels before and this one doesn't have one. GM electric window switches. I'd be fairly concerned with the missing a/c parts from what I can see in the photos. I don't see the under dash vent that blows the cold air and the vents on the top of the dash aren't the correct flip-top adjustable ones either. It looks nice in pictures but in person I'm sure the painted fendertop ornaments might look odd... Missing the hood letters too. I'd recommend an in person inspection too, 100% For what this car seems to be bidding at, I'd expect things to be more correct than it is.. |
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Location: Sydney, Australia | Does anyone know what the knob is in-between of the clock and the radio?
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Location: New Zealand | matte - 2017-08-24 3:00 AM
Does anyone know what the knob is in-between of the clock and the radio?
Could be a radio fader switch Matte, although I dont think the factory mounted them there
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Location: Whetstone, Arizona | matte - 2017-08-24 12:00 AM
Does anyone know what the knob is in-between of the clock and the radio?
Im thinking its a Fader knob as well or it might have a Reverb...At least thats a 57-58 Dodge knob, and not a GM part like the window switches...lol
My dodge has the Fader knob...its mounted under the dash by the steering column.
...plus i'm pretty sure back in 57 they were still using the single cylinder YORK A/C pumps (my 57 D500 with Factory A/C has a single Cyl York) ...not the later style twin like it has fitted....and as stated...its missing the dash A/C vents that should be the flip up type
anyone see the drivers side door gap and the glass gaps on the drivers door as well?!...and the cheap Pepboys plastic exterior mirrors....the Antenna in the center of the trunk lid !!
Its a nice car but it sure isnt a full restoration...
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Location: Montreal, Canada | Finsinthemirror - 2017-08-24 12:18 AM
There are a LOT of liberties taken with this car. It's nice, I'm not saying otherwise but it will be rather costly to make right if you're that kind of guy and I am and that's what I see. The interior has been mentioned, I doubt the dash and column were blue, I've seen blue/white plastic wheels before and this one doesn't have one. GM electric window switches. I'd be fairly concerned with the missing a/c parts from what I can see in the photos. I don't see the under dash vent that blows the cold air and the vents on the top of the dash aren't the correct flip-top adjustable ones either. It looks nice in pictures but in person I'm sure the painted fendertop ornaments might look odd... Missing the hood letters too. I'd recommend an in person inspection too, 100% For what this car seems to be bidding at, I'd expect things to be more correct than it is..
Except for Fury, colour keyed deluxe steering wheel are a 58 thing. I know it looks weird, but in 57, only black and white deluxe wheels were available with the blue, green or gold interiors. So it is perfectly normal here to see a blue interior with a black and white wheel, even though the dash was obviously repainted in this one..
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Location: Montreal, Canada | ply57nz - 2017-08-24 4:06 AM
matte - 2017-08-24 3:00 AM
Does anyone know what the knob is in-between of the clock and the radio?
Could be a radio fader switch Matte, although I dont think the factory mounted them there
Cheers Norm
Yes, it must be the radio speaker fader switch, and from past discussions here on this board, I believe it was established that the factory did mount them there or under the dash. Both locations are correct, probably depending on the other options in the car.. in this case here, with a factory Air conditioning unit, the switch had to be installed where you see it now.
Past discussion on this subject is here: http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=48738
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Location: Newark, Texas (Fort Worth) | I sent a message to him about the a.c. parts and window switches. Marc |
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Location: Houston | Maybe 'ground up' as in the way hamburger meat is ground up? |
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Location: Alaska | That knob is to set/adjust the factory clock in the panel. |
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Location: Montreal, Canada | 58coupe - 2017-08-24 12:06 PM
That knob is to set/adjust the factory clock in the panel.
No it's not. We are talking about the larger knob that is identical to a radio knob. It is the rear speaker fader. The clock set knob is smaller and located directly under the clock. You can actually see both knobs on this picture:
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Location: Newark, Texas (Fort Worth) | My Question to him:
Hi: Where are the A/C Ducts located? I see the a/c switch and compressor,but no correct vents on the dash or under the dash. Those electric window switches are GM, Are the motors and hardware in the doors mopar or gm?. Thanks! Marc
His answer:
everything is mopar the ac dashes are underneath the dash and above, these are original plymouth switches
Shall I ask him pertaining to the dash board/interior color?
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Location: CA | soiouz - 2017-08-24 3:01 AM
Finsinthemirror - 2017-08-24 12:18 AM
There are a LOT of liberties taken with this car. It's nice, I'm not saying otherwise but it will be rather costly to make right if you're that kind of guy and I am and that's what I see. The interior has been mentioned, I doubt the dash and column were blue, I've seen blue/white plastic wheels before and this one doesn't have one. GM electric window switches. I'd be fairly concerned with the missing a/c parts from what I can see in the photos. I don't see the under dash vent that blows the cold air and the vents on the top of the dash aren't the correct flip-top adjustable ones either. It looks nice in pictures but in person I'm sure the painted fendertop ornaments might look odd... Missing the hood letters too. I'd recommend an in person inspection too, 100% For what this car seems to be bidding at, I'd expect things to be more correct than it is..
Except for Fury, colour keyed deluxe steering wheel are a 58 thing. I know it looks weird, but in 57, only black and white deluxe wheels were available with the blue, green or gold interiors. So it is perfectly normal here to see a blue interior with a black and white wheel, even though the dash was obviously repainted in this one..
Thanks for the info Soiouz! I kinda figured this car had a black/white interior but I actually didn't know what you pointed out! I just never made that distinction before, I knew gold cars got the black/white wheel if so equipped. I don't think I've seen a green colored interior in a 57 and I know a green/white wheel, as well as a blue/white wheel was available on 58 cars as I've had/seen them. |
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Location: CA | With all the paint chips around the speedo cluster.. I think it's a perfectly safe assumption to make that the interior of this car was a different color originally. Clearly the trim ring was chromed along with the garnish moldings which is kinda nice but not original. |
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Location: Connecticut | soiouz - 2017-08-24 6:01 AM Except for Fury, colour keyed deluxe steering wheel are a 58 thing. I know it looks weird, but in 57, only black and white deluxe wheels were available with the blue, green or gold interiors. So it is perfectly normal here to see a blue interior with a black and white wheel, even though the dash was obviously repainted in this one.. Yeah, the plastic, two tone wheels were only black and white for '57. But the rubber, single tone wheels could be had in blue, green, etc. Weird. Ron |
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Location: So. Cal | It's the same for '55 & '56.
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Location: Lubbock, TX | mstrug - 2017-08-24 3:50 PM
My Question to him:
Hi: Where are the A/C Ducts located? I see the a/c switch and compressor,but no correct vents on the dash or under the dash. Those electric window switches are GM, Are the motors and hardware in the doors mopar or gm?. Thanks! Marc
His answer:
everything is mopar the ac dashes are underneath the dash and above, these are original plymouth switches
Shall I ask him pertaining to the dash board/interior color?
Sounds to me like he knows nothing about the car, and is just quoting what he was told, or simply assumes the "restoration" was done correctly. Either way, not a knowledgeable seller, and I would rather pay an appraiser than continue asking him questions... :/ Sad, very pleasant color combo and the car appears to be fairly solid.
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In the old days, when people were caught lying they admitted it. The New Ethics, though, have ushered in the Denial followed by the Outrage then finally the Hiding behind ignorance defense. |
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Location: Oley, PA | No sale at $25,100.00. It's been relisted. http://www.ebay.com/itm/1957-Plymouth-Belvedere-sport-/172843267783... |
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Location: Williams California | The engine compartment sure looks terrible. For what the seller is asking, it should have been redone professionally. |
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Location: Sunny Northern California | Hi,
I own a 1958 Fury with power windows, power seats, and radio fader. Attached are photos of the power window switches, which are the same as 55, 56 and 57 Chevys. I am also an owner of a 1956 Nomad with original power windows. You will notice that the switches are the same as GM models. Just the chrome bezels are different. The power seat switch is the same also.
Regarding your question about the radio speaker switch, it is mounted under the heater lever control, which is under the dash. I believe that all 58 Plymouths had the fader under the dash. Your car in question is a 1957 model, and those I think were placed where the car in question has it.
Hope this helps.
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Location: Newark, Texas (Fort Worth) | Relisted:
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Location: Montreal, Canada | punchitbaby - 2017-09-09 11:40 PM
Regarding your question about the radio speaker switch, it is mounted under the heater lever control, which is under the dash. I believe that all 58 Plymouths had the fader under the dash. Your car in question is a 1957 model, and those I think were placed where the car in question has it.
Hope this helps.
Phil
Actually, my post above cleared that up, I think. The different location for that switch is not related to 57 or 58, but rather to the other options in the car. The under dash location should be standard but with AC or Highway Hi-Fi underdash units, for instance, the other location becomes necessary. |
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Location: Newark, Texas (Fort Worth) | relist #7 or so:
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Location: So. Cal | This is relist number 12. I don't know why people endlessly relist their cars with an obnoxiously high reserve. Doesn't it cost money to do that? You would think he would have figured out how much he wanted to sell it for by now. Just list it for your price without a stupid reserve! The first time garnered $21K and it's been going downhill since then because people get tired of him wasting their time. Maybe the 132nd try will do the trick???
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| Powerflite, exactly! He should have quit when the money was good. Now people see there is something up with this car so they're hesitant to part with their hard earned money. He doesn't know when to quit. Yes, he must be getting charged $30 every time he lists it. But he doesnt mind because he has a jackpot of a car! Same goes with that orange plaza. $37k for a bubble post roof. smh. |
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Location: Minor Hill, TN | I would love to have it but I do not have the cash for it |
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Location: Sydney, Australia | Yep if you click on the original eBay link in the first post then keep clicking the "The seller has relisted this item or one like this." link you can see the fluctuating bids it ends on.. Sure shows how people get sick of some auctions. I agree with an earlier comment of, by now just tell everyone what you want and stop wasting people time.
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In the past I have gotten very good buys on items like this. The owner listed and relisted several times, and every time turned down good money. I contacted the owner by email, arranged to see the item in person, and showed up with cash - and walked away with the item for less than the best money he was offered on Ebay.
Last time was 22,000lb three axle deck-over equipment trailer. Bought it right, and made money on it when I resold it 18 months later . . .
Maybe someone interested needs to do the same with this guy.
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| Ive actully went and looked at his car not worth what he is asking for it it's a decent car but has had lots of things done I didn't like and needs lots of finer details done to it . |
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| Can you be more specific? Like everyone else I've seen this car pop up over and over. I've also seen cars that need a complete restoration bring 12/15K. So how do we assign value? These cars are typically under valued compared to other makes of the era while at the same time are harder to find and certainly harder to restore in terms if parts availability etc. Since you have actually seen the car I would certainly be interested in some further details. Thanks |
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1957 Plymouth Belvedere 2dr HT Factory Air and PW?
