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Andy1974 |
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Regular Posts: 90 Location: Germany | This thread gives instructions for making a scratch build headliner, based on the original 57/58 3 –sectioned cardboard one. As mentioned, my friend Michael just finished his 58 Plymouth restoration and also made a perfect new headliner. It is a bit tricky but it works. Look at the pictures below, the result speaks for itself. Part 1: General description about how it works and what material is needed. For the final assembly and final adjustment work, the car itself is needed. There´s no way for replacement parts "ready to go" without the car. The side panels are bended in 2 directions. The rounded shape cannot be measured exactly in advance without a mold. What you will need:
Part 2: Preparation, according to need:
Part 3: Making a template of the side panels
Part 4: Making and installing the new headliner
Some notes about costs: Now here are some photos of Michael´s car: …and mine:
Dotted vinyl: Part 5: Plastic retainer strips There are 5 alternatives:
I´ve made a CAD drawing of the profile and asked about 20 companies making plastics. They all told me that the setup costs to make an (extruder) tool are disproportionate to the amount of required profiles. Although the final product is nothing more than a plastic profile. In my car were original Fury strips. These are plastic transparent profiles with silver/gold paint from the underside. Except one break point at the end of one strip, they are in good condition. I used them to make the CAD drawing. Also I think they could be reused I did not reinstall them. I used my repros, which have a chrome finish. I would give the originals away if someone wants them. Because of the length, oversea-shipping costs would be high! Finally I found a way to work with a company together. They made some strips for me. Although they also have setup costs which push the price high, no chance for a cheap way. Photos of testing and comparing old/new retainer strips. Please note that the “prototype” was in lack of 2 additional groves (like the old one has). But the PVC material is too stiff. It cannot be pushed on the steel bow. I added the grooves later and it worked perfect after that. No problem installing them. They clip on the steel bow smoothly and hold. Some notes about price: I have some plastic strips left and I would sell them. They are bare, without any coating. Price: $85 piece / $170 pair For those who come to Carlisle in July: I would take them there and give them to you. Shipping costs would be zero. As a result of being flexible, I could bend them oval and put them in my suitcase. But please: Serious interest! I don´t carry the strips around just for fun, swinging them like a lash! May be funny, but not what I like to do at Carlisle! Last but not least I´m working on the retainer strip end caps. They will also be plastic repros. In addition, I´ll also make the small Forwardlook emblem again, which comes on the rear shelf cover between the seats – only Fury models. Some might remember me making them in steel last year. I will not make them again in steel. I thought they were perfect bhere was criticism that they are not worth $55.
Good luck and be patient! | ||
mikes2nd |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 5006 | how do you use a jointer and get all those lines so straight on the pvc vinyl? interesting so you used this. https://www.interstateplastics.com/Pvc-Expanded-White-Sheet-PVCWX.ph... | ||
d500neil |
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil! Posts: 19146 Location: bishop, ca | Andy, your work looks and reads like a name-your-price operation! Thankfully, my 57 Dodge's headliner is fine, but, I'd be willing to pay way-more than $1.5K for a headliner that you could make for me, if the results are as good as shown, above!! | ||
1960fury |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7416 Location: northern germany | threads like that make this forum so great! THANKS andy! Edited by 1960fury 2015-06-23 9:06 AM | ||
Andy1974 |
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Regular Posts: 90 Location: Germany | mikes2nd - 2015-06-23 5:02 AM how do you use a jointer and get all those lines so straight on the pvc vinyl? A carpenter or joiner has such machines, no problem. | ||
Andy1974 |
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Regular Posts: 90 Location: Germany | d500neil - 2015-06-23 8:16 AM Andy, your work looks and reads like a name-your-price operation! Thankfully, my 57 Dodge's headliner is fine, but, I'd be willing to pay way-more than $1.5K for a headliner that you could make for me, if the results are as good as shown, above!! No problem, Neil. Send me your car and we´ll make it. But there is chance that I´ll keep your car because I like it! | ||
60 dart |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 8947 Location: WHEELING,WV.>>>HOME OF WWVA | not many people know what a joiner is --------------------------------------------------later | ||
Andy1974 |
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Regular Posts: 90 Location: Germany | Sorry, I´m German. Google translator says: "Schreiner" = "Carpenter" or "Joiner": Joiner: "A person who constructs the wooden components of a building, such as stairs, doors, and door and window frames." „Suppose I go to a joiner and ask him to make me a table, and the joiner delivers me a wooden board.“ Carpenter: "A person who makes and repairs wooden objects and structures." | ||
60 dart |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 8947 Location: WHEELING,WV.>>>HOME OF WWVA | i'm a retired and still a member of the "United Brotherhood Of Carpenters And Joiners Of America" , 38 yrs. -------------------------------------------later | ||
d500neil |
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil! Posts: 19146 Location: bishop, ca | Andy, FORTUNATELY, my 57 Dodge 2-dr HT has a perfect condition headliner, and sunvisors. MANY people are not as fortunate as I happen to be (at least, regarding the headliner situation; inside-joke...) For the 57-58 (AND 59's????) Dodge hardtop models, there are a LOT of cars that need these headliners! The Dodges called their headliner 'painting' pattern the :"Endless Loop", which was gold stain/paint, against the off-white background of the headliner-material. If you can 'tampo' paint, or reproduce, that pattern, on your perforated hardboard roof/ceiling material, you would be the ONLY facility creating those panels, and I can envision someone paying a lot of money to restore their hardtop car, using your 'ceiling/roof' materials. Each car division had a slightly different 'pattern' to its headliner-paint, but, all that 'you' would have to do is set up a computerized program to follow the route of the "Endless Loops", across the headliners, for reproduction purposes. Edited by d500neil 2015-06-25 5:11 PM | ||
Hart_Rod |
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New User Posts: 3 | I know this is an old thread, but I'm trying to locate some headliner bows. Do you still make these? Thanks - Rob | ||
Andy1974 |
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Regular Posts: 90 Location: Germany | What do you mean by "bows"? The steel bows where the plastic strips are attached to or the plastic strips? I can´t make the steel bows. I can make the plastic strips, that´s right. | ||
Hart_Rod |
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New User Posts: 3 | Andy1974 - 2017-03-28 12:19 PM What do you mean by "bows"? The steel bows where the plastic strips are attached to or the plastic strips? I can´t make the steel bows. I can make the plastic strips, that´s right. My apologies. I was referring to the plastic strips. Can you make them in specified lengths? | ||
Andy1974 |
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Regular Posts: 90 Location: Germany | No sorry, I can´t. They are all 63" | ||
Hart_Rod |
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New User Posts: 3 | Andy1974 - 2017-03-29 10:59 AM No sorry, I can´t. They are all 63" That length is good. I actually need them shorter. Apparently GM used the same type of headliner bows on their 67-72 suburbans. Do you have the dimensions of the plastic molding and of the groove that you cut in the trim? Thanks, Rob | ||
1959 plymouth |
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New User Posts: 3 | Hi Guys, i`m searching for the two Plastic Headliner Stripes and Endcaps for my 1959 Plymouth 2 Door Hardtop. Please let me know where i can get them. Thanks. Andy | ||
mikes2nd |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 5006 | they dont make them... the original poster was printing them. There are alternatives though. I think you could find molding trim and adapt it fairly easy. https://www.amazon.com/Cowles-Protekto-Trim-37-630-Molding/dp/B00JJL... Look for half round trim (there are MANY profiles) when you find a big trim molding place. You could hot knife cut out the profile, and sand and paint if you don't like the chrome. | ||
mikes2nd |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 5006 | these guys might have some https://www.dawn-ent.com/Exterior-Accessories/Extruded-Moldings-Trim | ||
mikes2nd |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 5006 | the trim is 3/4 inch but this would be a good candidate to hot knife https://www.dawn-ent.com/LS1701402-S-Buick-LeSabre-Factory-Match-Mol... here is another option but smaller https://www.dawn-ent.com/Exterior-Accessories/Extruded-Moldings-Trim... | ||
mikes2nd |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 5006 | Here is a 3/4 trim https://www.amazon.com/WHITE-Marine-Camper-Molding-Flexible/dp/B073F... | ||
mikes2nd |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 5006 | that looks promising and pliable (71OBHBsCjkL._AC_SL1269_.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 71OBHBsCjkL._AC_SL1269_.jpg (138KB - 92 downloads) | ||
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