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Location: Ontario, Canada | d500neil - 2015-04-15 2:11 AM
Greg, the 354 c.i. D501 RACE CARS have the same coil brackets installed on them, as do the 300B's (and C's?)
Same as a C. Here is a photo I took of Lee Smiths 501.
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| ttotired - 2015-04-15 6:44 PM
Just to clarify here, are we talking 1 or 2 cars here?
Since big sky has joined the conversation (welcome to the forum, by the way), I sort of lost track?
In other words, big sky, do you own the above pictured dodge?
No, I have a different car- sorry I didnt mean to hijack this thread , I ran across this thread and thought I'd ask, mine is a pretty decent car- less engine+ a simular Royal 4 dr HT
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I thought about contacting Chry.Historical . I didnt understand how much information you would get from them. Would their information conform if the car is a Super D500 ? |
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Location: bishop, ca | YES; the C.H.S. will confirm precisely when and how your ride was built; we already know that it is a real, heavily optioned,
D500...and, maybe, a Super D500, to boot.
The Historical Society's info on your car will constitute its legitimate 'Birth Certificate'.
Meanwhile, you might try looking, carefully, up/behind its glove box, to see if its Broadcast Sheet might still be
masking-taped there.
MAJOR find, if it (still-) is there.
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Location: South central Idaho. | People! I am a whole lot older than most of you and have been doing the F.L. stuff since 1957. I have owned them all and am down to my last two restorations. Please listen. Quit jaw jacking about this unique find and JUST BUY IT. Buy the way. Where is it. I have the body for it and a trailer ready to go! |
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| I found this video on you tube...it shows the coil on the right side. Does anyone know the history of this car?
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| This is the internets... jaw jacking is what its mostly about  I would assume hemiviper isn't going to hand out this guys info to the internet hounds..Obviously the owner doesn't give a darn about the car and left it out to rot.
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Location: bishop, ca | The man and car are Jim Hoekendijk, of The Netherlands; the car is a real single-4 D500,
but Jim added the second 4-bbl to it, and the 'fancy' (from 1955) valve covers, too.
Car was sold to Sweden, around 2000.
Lee Smith's D501, above shown, has the 354 c.i. engine in it, and not the 325 c.i. Hemi,
that was installed in the 'regular-production' D500 models.
The D501 race car had a highly modified "300B" engine in it.
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Location: Houston | Plain and simple, the stigma attached to a 4 door is that of 'settling down', becoming more utilitarian, and (gasp) getting married and having kids. In other words, giving up on all the things that are truly valued by youth (speed, promiscuity, lack of commitment, and cool-ness). That will never change.
I don't care if the car is legit or not...but chances are very good it was a regular 4 barrel car that someone added the dual quads to when it was 5 years old or so. That sort of thing was common back then. Probably someone who had just gotten married and had a kid and was trying to divert attention from the fact that his car had twice as many entry portals as it should.
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Location: Houston | Yes, that is right. But it's just as likely that the proper fuel lines are there because when they were part of the swap and it was most expeditious to just use them.
Guy with a 4 barrel car wanders through a junkyard, sees a wrecked 2-4 car, buys the intake/carbs/air cleaners and 'makes sure' he gets the small pieces like fuel lines and brackets so it all swaps over easily. Very common.
Well, this car has lots of people excited so I'll be watching to see what the verdict is...
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Location: Perth Australia | Getting back to the original car in this thread
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| ttotired - 2015-04-20 8:22 PM
Getting back to the original car in this thread
Any news?
No news yet....still waiting (hoping) to see it. The owner says he would like to "fix it up some day"...
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Location: Perth Australia | Go and tell him you want to fix it up tomorrow and ask how long its been sitting there like that and whats it going to look like if it stays like that for the same amount of time again
You will either get the car or get kicked off the property
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Location: Ontario, Canada | How about a pic of the body plate?
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Location: Ontario, Canada | Oh, there it is! It didn't show up for me right away, sorry about that!!
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Location: Ontario, Canada | Well, that body plate left the factory on a Custom Royal 4dr HT with STANDARD CHASSIS equipment and a D500 or Super D 500 engine. It does NOT appear to be a 501! Only the punch card or broadcast sheet will tell.
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Location: Seville, OH | Definitely not a 501, but the presence of the trunk emblem suggests that maybe the carbs and air cleaners (but not intake) came off a 501 as well. |
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Location: Ontario, Canada | I agree, David. BUT, why would anyone, obviously years ago, try to deceive people by transplanting that 501 medallion?!! Nobody back then even knew what a 501 was!!
All of this makes me question whether this car even could have been a factory Super D!! Personally, I don't think it was.
Makes us all really miss Neil!
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Location: Seville, OH | I agree with Greg. The presence of the 501 trunk emblem indicates the car has been modified so I think the Super D is unlikely. At least at this point it can't be proven, so I wouldn't make an offer assuming it is. NOS 501 trunk emblems appeared on eBay a number of years ago. They sold for around $1500 each. Today they might go higher. This emblem has pitting and as Neil often pointed out it is difficult to re-chrome these without loosing a lot of the detail. I'm going to take a WAG and say $500-$700? Those air cleaners can fetch over $1000 if they are in good condition. These appear to have significant pitting. If there is no rust through they might be worth $700-$800. The engine without air cleaners might be worth $1500 as a core. The intake is also an unknown. Neil mentioned at one time that there was evidence that Super D's might have used an aftermarket aluminum manifold. Maybe Greg can comment on that. I searched for a dual quad manifold for a 325 for a long time and never saw a factory cast iron unit come up for sale. If it has a factory cast iron manifold, that may be a very desirable item as well. Without seeing the car in person, I would have a tough time offering anymore than $2500 for it.
The 501 trunk emblem is intriguing. I would ask the owner if he knew any history on where it came from. Maybe there is a 501 hulk sitting on the other side of that brick wall! The car has Michigan plates. It's a long shot, but Lee Smith looked at a 501 in Michigan years ago. He said it was too far gone and too many parts were missing so he bought a few 501 unique pieces and passed on the body. Maybe some of that car ended up on this one. Check the brakes on this too, particularly the wheel bolt pattern diameter.
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Location: Ontario, Canada | I have no information for the intake manifolds. Was this the one that Offenhouser (spelling) cast from aluminum and the size of the "O" was significant??
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Location: Seville, OH | LD3 Greg - 2015-09-28 12:46 PM
I have no information for the intake manifolds. Was this the one that Offenhouser (spelling) cast from aluminum and the size of the "O" was significant??
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| Swept57 - 2015-09-28 11:35 AM
I agree with Greg. The presence of the 501 trunk emblem indicates the car has been modified so I think the Super D is unlikely. At least at this point it can't be proven, so I wouldn't make an offer assuming it is. NOS 501 trunk emblems appeared on eBay a number of years ago. They sold for around $1500 each. Today they might go higher. This emblem has pitting and as Neil often pointed out it is difficult to re-chrome these without loosing a lot of the detail. I'm going to take a WAG and say $500-$700? Those air cleaners can fetch over $1000 if they are in good condition. These appear to have significant pitting. If there is no rust through they might be worth $700-$800. The engine without air cleaners might be worth $1500 as a core. The intake is also an unknown. Neil mentioned at one time that there was evidence that Super D's might have used an aftermarket aluminum manifold. Maybe Greg can comment on that. I searched for a dual quad manifold for a 325 for a long time and never saw a factory cast iron unit come up for sale. If it has a factory cast iron manifold, that may be a very desirable item as well. Without seeing the car in person, I would have a tough time offering anymore than $2500 for it.
The 501 trunk emblem is intriguing. I would ask the owner if he knew any history on where it came from. Maybe there is a 501 hulk sitting on the other side of that brick wall! The car has Michigan plates. It's a long shot, but Lee Smith looked at a 501 in Michigan years ago. He said it was too far gone and too many parts were missing so he bought a few 501 unique pieces and passed on the body. Maybe some of that car ended up on this one. Check the brakes on this too, particularly the wheel bolt pattern diameter.
The car hasn't been touched since 1965....it could possibly be the earliest clone in existence! LOL
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Location: Ontario, Canada | Interesting Mike. I have to ask what junkyard car could possibly yield a 2X4 intake that would fit a Dodge 315 or 325 hemi/poly?
I believe that CK had a dozen or so 2X4 intakes cast for his 315 race cars and very few 57 Super Ds were even built. I have never seen ONE punch card copy coded for a Super D. Both the punch cards and the broadcast sheets had a space for Super D to be coded. I'm sure Neil had a coded example of them..
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| I think he would have gotten the 354?
Not sure, my dad was a total gearhead. I mean to an insane level. If there was a possible upgrade, he was doing it and then double what was possible.
He raced every weekend drags and road course. Goodyear, Firestone, BFGoodrich employees all were big gear heads all racing all the time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOCEKB5qHFs
Hey summit has an offy for 300$
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/OFY-3614/
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Location: Parts Unknown | I deal in a lot of old stuff that a person is likely to never see another example of.
I have learned through a few deals gone south, that if I really want the item, I better
show up prepared to buy it on the spot, and approach the deal honestly with the
seller, explaining it is tough to price, due its being unique, and that the best way to
do it is to have the seller give ME a price that they will be happy with. I will say that
if it is too much, I will counter, and we take it from there.
This typically results in a price thrown out that I just pay, because the seller's number
is within reason, or less than I thought he would say. I rarely walk away without the
item, and if I do, it is more often because I cold-called the owner (who wasn't considering
selling) and he just wants to keep said item, as opposed to any price discussion.
This is a really neat car. Not something I am into, really, but a very unique and cool
example of a finned performance-oriented finned car. I'd go prepared to pay 10 and
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| mikes2nd - 2015-10-02 10:20 AM
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Location: Seville, OH | For reference...
http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/5201048206.html
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Location: So. Cal | Keep in mind that the air cleaners alone are worth a grand. The intake & carbs probably another $1K. The motor is at least $2.5K. That's $4.5K without even considering the car. I would say $6K is pretty reasonable. I would grab it if you want it.
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