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| I took some photos of my 58 imperial vin and data plates.
Some assistance in making sense of them would be great.
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| Found some good info on this site http://www.ch300imp.com/dataplat_us.htm it seems to apply to my data plate.
MDL = 653 4 door sedan Lebaron
SCDL = 1106 (NO IDEA WHAT THIS IS YET)
ITM = 615 (NO IDEA YET)
PNT = AAA raven black paint. so it was repainted at some point in time.
TRM = 064 broadcloth tan on the interior color
then the options. read them from top to bottom. I assume only the ones that are filled with 3 digits. My car does have these options
and more that are not filled on the data plate, Maybe because they were standard on lebaron?
365 = electric clock ?
408 = imperial eagle hood ornament
341 = A/C rear unit
403 = mirror, right, outside
445 = electro touch radio with power antenna
394 = defogger
Edited by 51coronet 2015-08-16 9:00 PM
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Location: Grenoble - France | SCDL = 1106 => 6th of November. My former Imperial was 11th of November.
ITM = 615 => my current guess is that it's the 615th car scheduled that day or something like that.
365 = it's the flitesweep decklid.
There is also the "A0" option. I wonder what that is or what it means. It's like KcImperial's Crown marked "C2". No idea.
The other options are not marked on the dataplate because they were indeed standard on LeBaron, like the power seat or the power windows.
Edited by Imp58Alpes 2015-08-17 3:28 AM
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| nice catch I didn't notice the A 0 option. I am learning as we go here.
Does the date mean it was made at the end of 1957 or 1958? |
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Location: Grenoble - France | End of 1957. SCDL means "scheduled" in fact. If the factory wasn't late that day, it usually is the built date too. However, only the broadcast sheet will tell. |
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| I saw 2 websites that said 365 is the electric clock but one had the question mark next to it. Likely the other site got the info from the first and never investigated it.
Makes sense because wasn't the clock standard on all imperials?
Considering my Imperial was repainted it is likely the flight sweep decklid was modified at that time. The center emblem is gone and the lid in that area is flat with no inward impression.
So the letter options remain a mystery? |
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Location: Grenoble - France | Indeed. On the build sheet, one can read that the "36x" field is either the clock or the flitesweep decklid. In our case, the decklid. Clock was indeed standard.
Regarding SCDL: mine was scheduled 11th of November, built the same day (11/11/57 was a Monday). I have track of a Crown convertible, scheduled 6th of December (a Friday), built on the 9th (Monday).
Letter options: yep... I know it's not linked to the series, because I have track of Crowns without the "C2" and LeBarons without the "A0"... |
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Location: Ontario, Canada | If I can add to this, 341 MIGHT be front A/C only? 445 MIGHT also include a rear speaker?
The conflict here is that, as I understand it, you can't have a rear speaker as well as a rear A/C unit.
A simple check of your car will likely answer these questions.
Great car, have fun with it!!
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Location: Ontario, Canada | BTW, my info shows 365 as decklid. Elec clock is 361 if applicable.
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Location: Grenoble - France | So far, the data I have shows 341 as rear unit A/C and I'm noticing that I'm lacking the code for the front unit only in my database. Anyone here with a '58 with front A/C only who could share the car's dataplate ?
I have a picture of a rear unit with rear speaker. There seems to be enough room for the two. An x-ray analysis of this LeBaron will tell us more 
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| mine has the speaker and a vent back there. I need to get the trunk open still. There is a blower motor in the trunk that directs air at the rear window. It may be A/C or just a rear defogger, getting the trunk open will tell more.
This is cool and unique because modern cars don't have any sort of air at the back window. Defoggers which is usually the heated strips in the glass seems the way all manufacturers have gone.
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Location: Hershey PA | ITM 615
I think 6 was the code for Imperial and 15 would be the 15th Imperial built that day |
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Location: Kansas City, KS | Imp58Alpes - 2015-08-18 3:00 PM
So far, the data I have shows 341 as rear unit A/C and I'm noticing that I'm lacking the code for the front unit only in my database. Anyone here with a '58 with front A/C only who could share the car's dataplate ?
I have a picture of a rear unit with rear speaker. There seems to be enough room for the two. An x-ray analysis of this LeBaron will tell us more
Fred
I have 342 for rear A/C (dual A/C). I do not have a '58 with front only A/C so can't help with that code.
Here's a picture of rear A/C with the rear speaker.
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Location: Kansas City, KS | 59 explorer - 2015-08-18 5:18 PM
ITM 615
I think 6 was the code for Imperial and 15 would be the 15th Imperial built that day
I have no idea what the ITM codes are for but to disprove your "6" theory, I have the following ITM codes on my 58's - 371, 377, 237, 221 |
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Location: Ontario, Canada | KcImperial - 2015-08-18 10:27
I have 342 for rear A/C (dual A/C). I do not have a '58 with front only A/C so can't help with that code.
Here's a picture of rear A/C with the rear speaker.
Yes, my 58 Chrysler notes show 342 for dual A/C. Also states N/A with 327, rear speaker and with 394, rear defogger.
I guess I'm not used to seeing package shelves as big as in your pic!!
I also realize that what may be true for Chrysler isn't necessarily true for Imperial.
Just trying to help you guys to fill in some blanks!
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Location: Grenoble - France | KcImperial - 2015-08-19 4:30 AM
59 explorer - 2015-08-18 5:18 PM
ITM 615
I think 6 was the code for Imperial and 15 would be the 15th Imperial built that day
I have no idea what the ITM codes are for but to disprove your "6" theory, I have the following ITM codes on my 58's - 371, 377, 237, 221
And mine was 435.
I personally read "MDL" "SCDL" and "ITM" as follows: 'the "ITM"th car scheduled on "SCDL" was a "MDL" whose specifications are noted below'. But that's just my interpretation. |
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Location: Kansas City, KS | Frederic- Here's another letter option for you. Not my car, it was on eBay a few years back so maybe you've already seen it.
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Location: Grenoble - France | Thanks Don!
With your plates, I'm having now doubts about the meaning of 562 and 561. On Philippe's web, 562 is supposed to mean single tone (might apply to Chryslers), but mine was AAA and no 56x code. The one above is FFF, and shows 561, and one of yours, TTT, shows 562. Finally, on the build sheets, 56x is for "misc". I have one copy of a dataplate of a TTT with 564.
Definitely some blanks to fill in.
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| Don is that an Imperial in the photo? If so what year is it? How is the ventilation run for the rear AC? It looks like my 58 does not have rear AC, just a rear defogger if that's how rear AC looks.
I know I need to get more pics up. There is the vent directed at the back window and the center speaker minus the 2 vents like your photo with the directional louvers.
Seeing this stuff from the factory from over 50 years ago makes it obvious the auto industry went through a long period of dark ages where ingenuity and knowledge was lost or not put to use. That is not even mentioning the quality of work and materials. There has been mostly junk built from the mid 70's to the early 90's. That is another topic sorry guys. |
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Location: Kansas City, KS | Frederic-
The tag I posted above with the A9 is from a convertible that was for sale on eBay a few years back. This is the first 561 code I have noticed (but I don't look very often either). I have more pictures of that car but it was not restored original so I doubt it would help figuring out paint colors.
here's the tag again for my Crown sedan.
It's the only Imperial I have with monotone paint and it's the only one I have with any 56x code and it's the only one with a letter code.
One of those should indicate the monotone paint but then which one? and what's the other one for?
You're right, there's definitely some blanks to fill in.
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Location: Kansas City, KS | 51coronet - 2015-08-19 3:59 PM
Don is that an Imperial in the photo? If so what year is it? How is the ventilation run for the rear AC? It looks like my 58 does not have rear AC, just a rear defogger if that's how rear AC looks.
I know I need to get more pics up. There is the vent directed at the back window and the center speaker minus the 2 vents like your photo with the directional louvers.
Seeing this stuff from the factory from over 50 years ago makes it obvious the auto industry went through a long period of dark ages where ingenuity and knowledge was lost or not put to use. That is not even mentioning the quality of work and materials. There has been mostly junk built from the mid 70's to the early 90's. That is another topic sorry guys.
The pic of the rear AC vents is one of my 1958 Imperials. I'm adding another pic below to show you the trunk side.
Those two outer vents with the directional louvers are the output vents for rear AC and the one at the back near the window is the intake vent.
342 is the code for dual AC. I'm guessing the 341 you have is for only front AC. I do not have any with only front AC and none of mine have a 341 code.
Based on your tag, you only have the defogger (394) which is a long narrow vent at the center near the glass.
I definitely agree, you need to get more pics up!
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Location: Ontario, Canada | Don, it is the same body plate as a Chrysler.
TTT means monotone paint--- solid colour garnet maroon
The 562 means it is a sold car. 56x is the car service. You know, whatever the line needs to do to prepare the car for shipment.
365 and 342 we know, 467 means tinted and shaded w/shield with all other glass solex and 445 means Electro touch tuner and power antenna and rear speaker.
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Location: Ontario, Canada | Fred,
AAA is monotone Raven, FFF is monotone Cypress Green.
561 is New Car Service, 564 is Dealer Delivery (Export Domestic) " whatever that means".
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Location: Kansas City, KS | Greg, any clarification/corrections on my posts is appreciated. I have zero knowledge about body plates for the other Chrysler divisions. My knowledge of Imperial codes is limited to 58's and has been gained solely through discussions with members on this site and by comparing with my own cars.
If AAA is monotone Raven, then what code on this tag that would explain it having a white roof?
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Location: Ontario, Canada | Don, I'm a Dodge guy. All I know about Imperials is that I wish that I had paid more attention to them and collected a few back in the late 80s and early 90s!!
I repro 57+ wiring harnesses and all my Imperial customers are delight to work with. All very knowledgeable which seems to be a rare commodity today!! In return, I'll help if I can.
I have some Jefferson Plant production info that I am willing to share and it was Chrysler specific, although it does reference Imperials in some columns.
I certainly can't explain the white roof but I question whether or not it was factory?!!
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Location: bishop, ca | Actually, "Car Service" was a factory assembly line optional-operation, wherein a car would receive
various 'Make-Ready' procedures, so that it could be driven from the dealership, or the factory, as soon as possible after
it was built.
There were several different extents to the optional "Car Service" operation, each year, as evidenced by the varying
sub-codes that appear on the Broadcast Sheets and IBM Build cards, for the "Car Service" preparation-work,
But, Car Service, altho not always confirming a car's having been 'Special Ordered' from the factory, does confirm
that the selling dealership was in some hurry to get a car into the hands of a new owner.
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Location: Grenoble - France | Thanks for the help, highly appreciated!
The more I read, the more I think 341 means front A/C. I'll check what I can find in my archives tonight.
Night edit: the dataplates I have show only 342, mostly 345 (no air), and only 1 with 341 (51coronet's).
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58 imperial Lebaron vin and data plate
