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Rockkers |
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Member Posts: 28 Location: Canada / Quebec | Hay guys i wanted to ask if anyone knows for sure what body has the 1956 dodge regent? I know its a plymouth body with a dodge front and some places they call them plodge. Visually it really looks like a belvedere but wanted to make sure Thanks a lot!!! | ||
56D500boy |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9911 Location: Lower Mainland BC | . Kind of/Sort of. In the mid-50's most (but not all) of the Canadian Dodges were based on the shorter Plymouth chassis (and body) with Dodge front clips (fenders and hoods, etc.). Regents were based on 6 cylinder Plymouths and Mayfairs were based on V8 Plymouths. When I was in high school, I had a 55 Canadian Dodge Regent that had that Belvedere tyoe side trim. It was a 6 with 3 on the tree. My uncle had a 55 Mayfair 2 dr hardtop with a V8 and automatic with the similar side trim. The Regent was my dad's. He gave it to me when I turned 16. I drove it until 1972 when I bought a Fury I. The bigger Canadian Dodges, e.g. Custom Royals, were based on the American Dodges but with Canadian engines, e.g. 56 Canadian Custom Royal, 120 inch wheel base, 303 Plymouth engine. I'm the kid in the red sweater on the trestle (behind my sister in the white jacket) (April 1960) Edited by 56D500boy 2021-01-22 1:28 PM (The55RegentWestOfReginaApril1960.jpg) Attachments ---------------- The55RegentWestOfReginaApril1960.jpg (217KB - 170 downloads) | ||
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Extreme Veteran Posts: 507 Location: Invermere B.C. Canada - Rocky Mountains | Rockkers - 2021-01-22 11:03 AM Visually it really looks like a belvedere but wanted to make sure Thanks a lot!!! Good luck. There was a lot of LSD in the water coolers in the fifties at Crysler Corp. I have a Dodge with with Savoy eblems on it from the factory. I also have a '56 Plodge two door wagon with the great Dodge grillle and the plymouth fin and tail light, the best of both worlds.
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Rockkers |
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Member Posts: 28 Location: Canada / Quebec | Oups sorry! My location i guess? Because i have been looking a bit on the web for body part of a regent and cannot get any, but i can have for a plymouth belvedere and visually thought it was very alike! | ||
56D500boy |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9911 Location: Lower Mainland BC | Rockkers - 2021-01-23 5:56 PM Oups sorry! My location i guess? Because i have been looking a bit on the web for body part of a regent and cannot get any, but i can have for a plymouth belvedere and visually thought it was very alike! Richard: Depends what you are looking for. Here are some photos of a Canadian Dodge Regent that is located south of Montreal. The owner is a forum member here. REFERENCE 1: http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=65749&... REFERENCE 2: http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=66337&... Edited by 56D500boy 2021-01-24 6:19 AM | ||
Old Ray |
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Extreme Veteran Posts: 507 Location: Invermere B.C. Canada - Rocky Mountains | 56D500boy - 2021-01-23 9:38 PM Richard: Depends what you are looking for. Here are some photos of a Canadian Dodge Regent that is located south of Montreal. The owner is a forum member here. Now that is a beautiful car, that is the same model I had in high school. I miss her and the car. | ||
Old Ray |
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Extreme Veteran Posts: 507 Location: Invermere B.C. Canada - Rocky Mountains | Rockkers - 2021-01-23 6:56 PM Because i have been looking a bit on the web for body part of a regent and cannot get any, but i can have for a plymouth belvedere and visually thought it was very alike! I think (corrections appreciated) that in a cost saving effort Chrysler Canada only made one car body (Plymouth) and modified the front fenders to fit the Dodge grill. A parts book might confirm that. With the possible exception of the larger USA Dodge's and the front sheet metal Canadian Dodge's where Plymouths. (Maybe) | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9681 Location: So. Cal | One of the differences in trim between them is the Belvedere arrow has "Belvedere" written on it. The Canadian version of the trim has 4 arrows embossed on it instead. That's a really beautiful Regent. That color combo with the trim works amazing together. But he really needs to straighten that fender spear. It's really distracting. | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9681 Location: So. Cal | Question: So did they have D500 Mayfairs in '56? | ||
56D500boy |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9911 Location: Lower Mainland BC | Powerflite - 2021-01-24 9:59 AM Question: So did they have D500 Mayfairs in '56? Quick answer: No. The 56 Canadian Mayfairs only got the 270 Plymouth poly engine on a 115" wheel base. 56 D500s were only built on the 120" American Dodge chassis. The 56 Canadian Dodge Custom Royals were the American Dodge chassis with a 303 Plymouth poly (the basis of the 56 Fury engine). Not sure if you could order and receive delivery of a 56 D500 through a Canadian dealership. Now that is a question. Edited by 56D500boy 2021-01-24 2:43 PM | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9681 Location: So. Cal | Thanks Dave. I didn't realize that arrow trim could have said Mayfair on those models. I have never seen that trim with the "Mayfair" name on it before. | ||
56D500boy |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9911 Location: Lower Mainland BC | Powerflite - 2021-01-24 2:13 PM Thanks Dave. I didn't realize that arrow trim could have said Mayfair on those models. I have never seen that trim with the "Mayfair" name on it before. I don't have the answer but you can see that the Regent (with the four >>>> trim) also had a script on the rear fender. I don't see any script on the Mayfair fender, hence Mayfair on the trim piece (??) | ||
Rockkers |
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Member Posts: 28 Location: Canada / Quebec | Mine would be like that but white top and back plus baby blue i guess hahaha, it was a slant 6 and manual 3 speed on the steering. But i should check for the wheel base to make sure its a plymouth body? That would confirm it? All i need would be rocker panels and driver side floor pans. Rest of the chrome i pretty much have it, its missing the 2 little extension pieces on the big chrome horn on the hood Edited by Rockkers 2021-01-25 10:15 AM | ||
56D500boy |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9911 Location: Lower Mainland BC | . Can you post a photo or two of your car? (Photos need to be <250kB and .jpg, not .jpeg from an iPhone). Best if they are uploaded from a desktop computer. Does your engine look like this: Do you have a tag, like these below, on the passenger side of the firewall (as shown in the photo above)? Edited by 56D500boy 2021-01-25 11:54 AM (56DodgeRegent2drBodyTag_Trimmed.jpg) (56CanadianCRSedanWhiteBlackAndTurquoiseWithBluesInterior_CowlTag.jpg) (56CanadianRegentSedanBuildTag_trimmed.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 56DodgeRegent2drBodyTag_Trimmed.jpg (61KB - 170 downloads) 56CanadianCRSedanWhiteBlackAndTurquoiseWithBluesInterior_CowlTag.jpg (86KB - 170 downloads) 56CanadianRegentSedanBuildTag_trimmed.jpg (24KB - 173 downloads) | ||
Rockkers |
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Member Posts: 28 Location: Canada / Quebec | No engine in it right now, i bought the body with no engine inside it but i have a 1957 354poly to put in!! (Resizer_16117156630862.jpg) (Resizer_16117156630863.jpg) (Resizer_16117156630860.jpg) Attachments ---------------- Resizer_16117156630862.jpg (171KB - 175 downloads) Resizer_16117156630863.jpg (188KB - 167 downloads) Resizer_16117156630860.jpg (157KB - 173 downloads) | ||
Rockkers |
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Member Posts: 28 Location: Canada / Quebec | Model : D60 - 2 - 4 DOOR SEDAN Body no : 8618 Paint code : 1119 Trim code : JBZ | ||
56D500boy |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9911 Location: Lower Mainland BC | Rockkers - 2021-01-26 6:57 PM Model : D60 - 2 - 4 DOOR SEDAN Body no : 8618 Paint code : 1119 Trim code : JBZ Well Richard, you have one of those genuine Canadian Plodges for sure. Dodge in the front, and Plymouth from the firewall back. As a D60-2 = Regent, it would have come with a 6 cylinder flat head motor originally. Could have been a column shift 3 spd manual trans (aka "3 on the tree") or 2 spd Powerflite automatic (shifter buttons on the left of the dash). That Chrysler 354 Poly might be a bit of a challenge installing in the engine bay. People like Powerflite (Nathan N.) might be able to help you a bit with that. The paint code 1119 = 11 Surf White roof and side spear and 19 = Tahoe blue everywhere else. Not sure about JBZ trim codes. Here is a link to some 56 Canadian Dodge info to ponder: http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=74627&... Similar to these but a different blue: Edited by 56D500boy 2021-01-27 11:48 AM | ||
56D500boy |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9911 Location: Lower Mainland BC | Rockkers - 2021-01-26 6:57 PM Model : D60 - 2 - 4 DOOR SEDAN Body no : 8618 Paint code : 1119 Trim code : JBZ Richard: If your Regent still has its factory interior, which one of these is it? I would think the Code 60 blue one(??). (If that is true, we might be able to translate 60 into JBZ because those J codes are making us (me) crazy) | ||
Rockkers |
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Member Posts: 28 Location: Canada / Quebec | Yes the rear seat seem to have the blue color, will make sure next time i go by the car | ||
56D500boy |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9911 Location: Lower Mainland BC | Rockkers - 2021-01-28 3:08 AM Yes the rear seat seem to have the blue color, will make sure next time i go by the car Richard: Please take and post a photo to confirm the blue (thanks). I'll get those Code NN to Jxx translations figured eventually. Your info will help. | ||
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Expert Posts: 1819 Location: Vancouver, BC | If anyone is looking to determine if they had a Plymouth or Dodge, the first letter of the model number has the answer. Plymouth will start with "P" and all Dodges will start with "D", including the Plodges. Canadian Plymouth and Plodge makes offered the same body styles series and engines - 250.6-cid flathead six or 270-cid poly head V8. Mayfair and Belvedere came only with V8 engines, except for 49 six cylinder 1956 Belvedere sedans and 33 six cylinder 1956 Mayfair sedans, all built for export. The Plymouth figures include export DeSoto Diplomat Custom 4 door sedans. For the side trim on the Plymouth and Dodge "-3" models, the Mayfair and Belvedere had the names stamped into the section on the doors while the Regent and Savoy had separate nameplates on the rear quarter panels. Belvedere and Mayfair convertibles were not built in Canada, but, as with all Chrysler Corp convertibles from 1937 to 1962, built in the U.S. and exported to Canada. They were not cheap. | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9681 Location: So. Cal | How rare were the Mayfair models with the side trim? I ask because I have seen plenty of the Regent & Canadian Savoy trim, but never any of the Mayfair. | ||
56D500boy |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9911 Location: Lower Mainland BC | Powerflite - 2021-01-28 3:28 PM How rare were the Mayfair models with the side trim? I ask because I have seen plenty of the Regent & Canadian Savoy trim, but never any of the Mayfair. I don't think that you could buy a 56 Mayfair in Canada without the "Belvedere" Sport Trim. I think that was the way they all came. I think that you could get a Regent without the sport trim but not the Mayfair. It would be as rare as a US 56 Plymouth Belvedere without the sport trim. As to how many 56 Mayfairs were sold in Canada, perhaps Bill W. (Chrycoman) knows (??) REFERENCE: http://www.lov2xlr8.no/brochures/dodge/do56/do56.html | ||
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Expert Posts: 1819 Location: Vancouver, BC | The first Plodge appeared in 1932. It was a Plymouth PB with a Plymouth four cylinder engine and Dodge front end sheet metal. Model number was DM and a total of 1,190 DM cars were built in Detroit for export. None were built in Canada, and none were sold in Canada. For 1933 the new 1933 Dodge Six was model DP, with a new flathead six engine. For Canada, a lower priced version of the DP, called the DQ, was built for the Canadian market. Both were on Dodge's 111.25" wheelbase but the DQ was cheaper than the DP. In April, 1933, the Dodge DP was put on a new chassis of 115" while the DQ remained on the shorter chassis. Over at Plymouth, a new PD series went into production using a 112" wheelbase, answering complaints that the Plymouth was too short. Over the past few years many Plymouth and Dodge fans have claimed that the DQ remained on the 111.25" wheelbase (which is correct) and that the DQ used the Plymouth (PD) engine. It's almost as if they were getting the engines confused - PD and DP. In reality, the DQ used the DP engine from the first DQ in November, 1932, and the last DQ in December, 1933. The DP/DQ engine was 3.125"x4.375" (201.3-cid) while the Plymouth PD was 3.125"x4.125" (189.8-cid). Production figures for the DQ are included with the DP models. Starting with the 1935 models, the Plymouth-based Dodges were built in the U.S. for export markets. And in 1937 the DeSoto Export Six, based on the Plymouth, was added to the export mix. The above is not Forward Look related, but you now know where the Plodges came from. | ||
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Expert Posts: 1819 Location: Vancouver, BC | The first Plodge appeared in 1932. It was a Plymouth PB with a Plymouth four cylinder engine and Dodge front end sheet metal. Model number was DM and a total of 1,190 DM cars were built in Detroit for export. None were built in Canada, and none were sold in Canada. For 1933 the new 1933 Dodge Six was model DP, with a new flathead six engine. For Canada, a lower priced version of the DP, called the DQ, was built for the Canadian market. Both were on Dodge's 111.25" wheelbase but the DQ was cheaper than the DP. In April, 1933, the Dodge DP was put on a new chassis of 115" while the DQ remained on the shorter chassis. Over at Plymouth, a new PD series went into production using a 112" wheelbase, answering complaints that the Plymouth was too short. Over the past few years many Plymouth and Dodge fans have claimed that the DQ remained on the 111.25" wheelbase (which is correct) and that the DQ used the Plymouth (PD) engine. It's almost as if they were getting the engines confused - PD and DP. In reality, the DQ used the DP engine from the first DQ in November, 1932, and the last DQ in December, 1933. The DP/DQ engine was 3.125"x4.375" (201.3-cid) while the Plymouth PD was 3.125"x4.125" (189.8-cid). Production figures for the DQ are included with the DP models. Starting with the 1935 models, the Plymouth-based Dodges were built in the U.S. for export markets. And in 1937 the DeSoto Export Six, based on the Plymouth, was added to the export mix. The above is not Forward Look related, but you now know where the Plodges came from. | ||
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Expert Posts: 1819 Location: Vancouver, BC | You could buy a Mopar car not sold in Canada through your local dealer. Just be prepared to pay through the nose - import duties, excise taxes, sales taxes and a few other federal taxes. And once you have figured out how much the extra taxes on the car, change the total cost of the car U.S. dollars into Canadian dollars. The car was generally shipped from Detroit to the Windsor factory where all import taxes are tallied. From Windsor, the car was shipped to the dealer that ordered it. To sort out the series names - D60-1 / D61-1 = Crusader 6/V8 (same as Plaza 6/V8) D60-2 / D61-2 = Regent 6/V8 (same as Savoy 6/V8) D60-3 / D61-3 = Mayfair 6/V8 (same as Belvedere 6/V8) D60-1 = Crusader Six - (6) 2 door Suburban Wagon / (6) 2 and 4 door Sedan D61-1 = Crusader V8 - (V8) 2 door Suburban Wagon / (V8) 2 and 4 door Sedan D60-2 = Regent Six - (6) 2 door Custom Suburban Wagon / (6) 4 door Custom Suburban Wagon / (6) 2 & 4 door Sedan / (6) 2 door Hardtop D61-2 = Regent V8 - (V8) 4 door Custom Suburban Wagon / (V8) 2 & 4 door Sedan D60-3 = Mayfair Six - (6) 4 door Sedan (Export) D61-3 = Mayfair V8 - (V8) 4 door Sport Suburban Wagon / (V-8) 2 and 4 door Sedan / (V-8) 2 and 4 door Hardtop D61-3 - Mayfair V8 - (V8) 2dr Convertible - Special Order - Uses US-built Engines Engine Numbers - 1001C to 6000C - 3.44x4.50 - 270-cid - Engine prefix was D61 for Dodge V8 and P29 for Plymouth V8 6000C and up - 3.75x3.13 - 276.1-cid - Continuation of above 1001C & up - 3.44x4.50 - 250.6-cid - Engine prefix was D60 for Dodge Six and P28 for Plymouth Six Production number contained both Dodge and Plymouth production. | ||
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Expert Posts: 1819 Location: Vancouver, BC | The Mayfair/Belvedere trim was standard on all Mayfair, Belvedere and Sport Suburban models. And optional on Regent, Savoy and Custom Suburban. I do not have production numbers by body style, but I do for engine/series : Crusader 6 - 9,150 Regen 6 - 17,024 Mayfair 6 - 33 Total - 6 - 26,207 Crusader V8 - 2,650 Regen V8 - 11,192 Mayfair V8 - 3,959 Total - V8 - 17,801 TOTALS - Crusader 6 & V8 - 11,800 Regent 6 & V8 - 28,216 Mayfair 6 & V8 - 3,992 Total 6 & V8 - 44,008 That 44,008 would be a Plymouth-sized Dodge record for years. | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9911 Location: Lower Mainland BC | . Thanks for that info Bill. Always good to have data. One thing: I have never seen/heard of V8 in a 55 or 56 Regent, only the 6s. Mayfairs: Never seen/heard of a 6 in one, just V8s. ??? | ||
56D500boy |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9911 Location: Lower Mainland BC | . Thanks for that info Bill. Always good to have data. One thing: I have never seen/heard of V8 in a 55 or 56 Regent, only the 6s. Mayfairs: Never seen/heard of a 6 in one, just V8s. (I guess with only 33 examples, the odds are I would never see one). ??? | ||
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Expert Posts: 1819 Location: Vancouver, BC | I have seen a couple of 1955 Regent with a V8. I suspect too that the V emblems may have not survived the winters. The first car I steered was a 1955 Regent. My father's actually. Sat on his lap as I steered the car. He had his foot by the brake pedal and just let the car idle around the corners. Did this out at the Brookside Cemetary in west Winnipeg. He bought it used in 1958. Had Powerflite with the lever in the instrument panel. Was a nice car - black roof with a coral coloured body. Interior was green. It chugged when Dad started it in the winter mornings. Like most cars, it did not like the -40C mornings on the Canadian prairies. And we went bumping down the back lane as the nylon tires were frozen with a flat spot on the tread. Needed a little trip to heat up the tires. Dad traded the Regent for a 1960 Chevrolet Bel Air, with Powerglide in 1962. Had no use for fins although he heard good things about the slant six. Had two 1961 Darts in the neighbourhood. The tan Seneca sedan was around for about ten years and the two door Seneca about eight years. Very little rust | ||
Rockkers |
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Member Posts: 28 Location: Canada / Quebec | I finally went by the car for pictures!! It looks grey but i'm not sure Maybe juste blue but eaten by the sun hahahahaa (Resizer_16133218565020.jpg) (Resizer_16133218565022.jpg) (Resizer_16133218565021.jpg) Attachments ---------------- Resizer_16133218565020.jpg (168KB - 162 downloads) Resizer_16133218565022.jpg (144KB - 163 downloads) Resizer_16133218565021.jpg (166KB - 159 downloads) | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9911 Location: Lower Mainland BC | Rockkers - 2021-02-14 8:55 AM I finally went by the car for pictures!! It looks grey but i'm not sure Maybe just blue but eaten by the sun hahahahaa I would have guessed the greys until I saw the two-tone blue on the rear seat base. If you pull the rear seat bottom out, there will be some fabric that hasn't been touched and faded by the sun. I am guessing that it will be the blues. There might even be a tag on the seat, something like this one on my 56 American Dodge, that has a number that might be useful: (PS: I like those seat covers. I would use a set if I could find a NOS set) Edited by 56D500boy 2021-02-14 3:41 PM | ||
Rockkers |
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Member Posts: 28 Location: Canada / Quebec | Forgot to take a peek at the seats the other day when i went by the car!! But just to make it clear, having a wheel base of 115" confirms the plymouth body and a plymouth savoy would be the one to look for in body parts like floor pans and rocker panels?? Thanks guys!! | ||
56D500boy |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9911 Location: Lower Mainland BC | Rockkers - 2021-02-24 4:57 PM Forgot to take a peek at the seats the other day when i went by the car!! But just to make it clear, having a wheel base of 115" confirms the plymouth body and a plymouth savoy would be the one to look for in body parts like floor pans and rocker panels?? Too bad. I hope that you can remember the next time you go past your car. In the meantime, something like this might help you chase down body parts (floor pans, and rockers): https://www.ebay.ca/str/classicparts4u?_bkw=1956+Plymouth | ||
Rockkers |
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Member Posts: 28 Location: Canada / Quebec | The colour is blue!! Hahaha looked really grey. And I got a picture!!! (Resizer_16148801367201.jpg) (Resizer_16148803493810.jpg) Attachments ---------------- Resizer_16148801367201.jpg (227KB - 147 downloads) Resizer_16148803493810.jpg (225KB - 152 downloads) | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9911 Location: Lower Mainland BC | Rockkers - 2021-03-04 9:47 AM The colour is blue!! Hahaha looked really grey. And I got a picture!!! Merci beaucoup Richard. Now we know what JBZ is relative to the previous Code 60 that I have in the Canadian Dealer 56 Dodge and Desoto sample book. Also interesting is the interior manufacturer says the Model is P28-2 4 dr = 56 Savoy (?) 4 dr. (RichardLs56CanadianRegentCowlTag.jpg) (RichardLsInteriorCodeTag.jpg) Attachments ---------------- RichardLs56CanadianRegentCowlTag.jpg (126KB - 145 downloads) RichardLsInteriorCodeTag.jpg (105KB - 145 downloads) | ||
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Expert Posts: 1819 Location: Vancouver, BC | Yes, the "-2" for 1956 to 1958 Plymouth was Savoy and Dodge was Regent. "-1" was Plaza / Crusader and "-3" was Belvedere / Mayfair. For 1959 tbe "-1" series became Savoy / Regent, "-2" Belvedere / Mayfair and "-3" Fury / Viscount. The Savoy was the base Plymouth in Canada from 1959 through to 1965. It became the Fury I in 1966. 1955 was a mix up, caused in part by the delay in getting a V8 engine tooled up for Plymouth : P26-1 - Plaza 6 P26-2 - Savoy 6 P26-4 - Belvedere 6 P27-2 - Belvedere V8 D54-1 - Crusader 6 D54-2 - Regent 6 D54-4 - Mayfair 6 D59-2 - Mayfair V8 | ||
Rockkers |
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Member Posts: 28 Location: Canada / Quebec | Great we are getting hidden answers hahahaha Awesome to have guys like you around!!! | ||
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