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Location: Tulare Ca | Hey All!
Ive Been Working On figuring the bug out of the turn signals on my 58 plymouth . ive narrowed it to the switch. The problem lies in the removal of the switch. i have torn down the steering column all the way down past the "C" Shaped actuator that the lever screws into, however i cannot figure out how to get past this to get to the switch. how do i go about getting to it.
My second Question is that, once the switch is out is there any way to go about cleaning or refreshing it?
thanks!
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Location: Perth Australia | Just did this on my dodge, not sure if its the same on yours, but, you should have 2 screws that attatche the switch mechanism to the jacket, you take them out, then under the dash is the plug that attatches the switch to the dash wiring harness, you have to remove the terminals from the plug, to do this, when you look into the plug, you should see that there is a slot in the terminal that sort of runs off towards one side, you push the narrow side towards the thicker side and the terminal will slide out the back of the plug
You have to do this to all of them, draw a picture of how it all goes, so you can put them back the way they came out.
Once you have done this, you should be able to pull the switch and wiring out from the jacket (you can cheat here a bit and tape a wire to one of the terminals to help you feed the wires back in once you have fixed it), anyway, once out, if you look at the back of the assembly, there should be 2 little screws that hold the switch part to the assembly, undo those and the switch will come off.
To get to the guts of the switch, using a fine screwdriver and a pair of side cutters, carefully open the little tags that hold the switch together (keeping a little pressure on the board part so it doesnt spring apart), you should be then able to take the first board (with the wires) off and see the contacts.
I sand blasted mine, but a carefull rub with fine sandpaper will work
Take the second board off and you will be able to se 3 pairs of moving contacts wth springs under them, clean these with sandpaper as well and while they are out, give the springs a gentle stretch to give them tention again, then a little grease with white grease (lithium of vassalene, whatever) and put it all back together
Easy
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Location: Ontario, Canada | Good advise, Mick. I would suggest to use a scotchbrite pad to freshen up all the copper contacts. When you reinstall it all wiggle it all and be sure all is centered before things are tightened up.
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Location: Tulare Ca | Mick are these the Two Screw your referring to? If So Them Ive Removed Them and Still Could Not get this Plate the holds the switch Out. Im Not sure Whether or not to be forceful with it or if there is some special method of removing it.
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Location: Perth Australia | Yes
The 2 that hold the switch itself, you can see the ends of them either side of the black sliding part
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Location: Tulare Ca | Ok So How do I Remove This Plate? Just Pull The Two Screws And pull the plate forward? |
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Location: Perth Australia | Yep
Undo the 2 screws you can see and pull the lot towards you (after you have done the bit with the wiring)
Sorry to say, but the other stuff you took off, you didnt need to
To get at those 2 screws, you put the switch into left turn (I think it was left) and the screws are gettable
Good oppertunity to clean and lub that stuff as well though
Stay with this Myke, I'll be on for a little while more
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Location: Tulare Ca | Well It Lookes Like this switch Wont need cleaning Now. I Finnaly Got and Pulled the switch. I Had It Out And Was VERY delicatly Pulling the Tabs Up And the Wood backing Was So Fragile that It Broke In three Places. Rendering the Switch Useless....Anyone Know How much a Used One Might Cost? |
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Hey Mick I Just Went Out to her And Examined the Switch Again And Came Up With The Idea that The backing Is Mearly Wood, Right? Ive recently Been Given Some Very Accurate Wood Carving tools. Do You Think It Would Be Possible To Recreate The Backing? And Out Of What Material?
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Location: Ontario, Canada | Myke - 2014-07-04 4:12 PM
Hey Mick I Just Went Out to her And Examined the Switch Again And Came Up With The Idea that The backing Is Mearly Wood, Right? Ive recently Been Given Some Very Accurate Wood Carving tools. Do You Think It Would Be Possible To Recreate The Backing? And Out Of What Material?
I think it is called phenolic. I have lots of you think you could make one!
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Location: Perth Australia | I think Gregs right on the name
Even at frank mitchells price though, I would buy his rather than trying to make another board, those contacts are rivited in and you would need new contacts or spend ages getting them out
heres a link to a switch, only one I found, but, I think they would turn up cheaper
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1957-58-59-NOS-MoPar-TURN-SIGNAL-SLIDE-SWIT...
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Location: Tulare Ca | ttotired - 2014-07-04 3:05 PM
I think Gregs right on the name
Even at frank mitchells price though, I would buy his rather than trying to make another board, those contacts are rivited in and you would need new contacts or spend ages getting them out
I think Yours my Be Different Then Mine On That. I Dont Have A Picture Of mine As im away from House bit the contacts on Mine are held to the board By Tabs Like The Ones That Hold The Metal Casing On. Which is what Made Me Think That it could Be Done.
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Location: Tulare Ca | It seems Like Phenolic Is Pretty Expensive. Do you Think that I might be able to get Away with using a plastic sheet or thin wood. |
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Location: Perth Australia | Wood is way to brittle that thin, plastic might work, but will not be tollerant of heat and it would need to be a very ridgid plastic
Wont hurt to try though,I suppose, but I wouldnt just because I wouldnt want to spend that much time on something thats not that expencive
Have you tried the wrecker folks on here, you would probably get it cheaper than mitchell's (he is renound for being pricey, but he has lots of nice things)
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Location: Ontario, Canada | If you decide to try to make it, I will send you the phenolic for the price of mailing it!
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Location: Tulare Ca | ttotired
Wont hurt to try though,I suppose, but I wouldnt just because I wouldnt want to spend that much time on something thats not that expencive
Well See The Problem Is That I Have Far More Time than Money! Im Still In High School And Cant Find a Job to save My Life. The Little income i do get at the moment is going to regestration and insurance. So if spending a couple of hours carving out phenolic will save me the $90, Then ill gladly grab my tools 
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Location: Ontario, Canada | It looks like I can make things easier. I have a switch that you can have! The wires are cut off about 3" from the switch. Just have to splice them to your old ones. I"ll need to buy a small bubble pack envelope and the cost of mailing.
Let me know your full address.
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Location: Perth Australia | Good on you Greg
I could see this turning into a mess
Not knocking you for trying Myke, just some things are best to have right
The positions of the contacts ect are very important to the switch working properly and (just thinking), if I really had to fix the switch, I would probably try to glue the pieces back together, then glue a reinforcment to the switch.
But, best to take Gregs offer (I would)
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Location: Tulare Ca | LD3 Greg - 2014-07-07 8:59 AM
It looks like I can make things easier. I have a switch that you can have! The wires are cut off about 3" from the switch. Just have to splice them to your old ones. I"ll need to buy a small bubble pack envelope and the cost of mailing.
Let me know your full address.
Greg
Thanks A Million Greg! I Really Appreciate It!
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Location: Ontario, Canada | Hi, Mike, I got your note today. Thanks and you are very welcome. Good luck with your project!
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