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Location: Buffalo, NY | Hello All, I've decide to put two edelbrock performer carbs on my Poly with the factory dual quad intake. My first question concerns Electonic Choke. Can this be done on a 1958 Plymouth? Can someone tell me what's involved...do I want one with electronic choke and one manual...or both electronic? I just want to be able to turn the key and go and not have to manually adjust the choke. I figured I'd make a block off plate for the old heat riser etc. I'll admit that I have no idea what controls the electonic choke.. Any help in understanding would be appreciated.
My second question concerns reproduction wiring harness' I'd like to put electronic ignition to it as well and was wondering if anyone is making new harnesses that are "wired" for that purpose along with electronic choke?
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Location: McHenry Illinois | Wayne,
Run an electric choke on one carb, and no choke on the other. Electrical hookup is simple, just 12 volts ignition and a ground is all that's needed. Works great on mine.
Dave W.
Edited by My58PlymouthFury 2007-03-01 6:39 PM
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Location: Buffalo, NY | Ok but how do I get them choked in tandem? I assume the unit itself on the carb senses the temperature and opens/closes accordingly? Does the electrical current just power the choke and that's all? |
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Location: Skaneateles,NY(summer)/Port St.Lucie,FL(winter) | Just what MY58PlymouthFury said... |
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Location: McHenry Illinois | Bloodhound - 2007-03-01 7:29 PM
Ok but how do I get them choked in tandem? I assume the unit itself on the carb senses the temperature and opens/closes accordingly? Does the electrical current just power the choke and that's all?
You don't. Just one carb enriched (choked) is enough for a cold start. That's the way the factory did it also. The Edelbrock electric choke uses a "watch spring" element that heats up with current flow and opens the choke as it warms depending on how much initial spring tension you set. Quite eay to dial in.
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Location: cornpatch county, Southwest IOA | Just for discussion-I've never had two 4bbls. Wouldn't you want the choke on the carb that the linkage opens up first, and shouldn't the other carb have the choke butterfly and fast idle removed?..................................5%....... |
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Location: Skaneateles,NY(summer)/Port St.Lucie,FL(winter) | Mopar-To-Ya,
Yes, to both questions...
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Location: McHenry Illinois | MOPAR-TO-YA - 2007-03-01 11:42 PM
Just for discussion-I've never had two 4bbls. Wouldn't you want the choke on the carb that the linkage opens up first, and shouldn't the other carb have the choke butterfly and fast idle removed?..................................5%.......
yup.
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Location: Nebo, Western NC | Wayne,
You want to use one carb as the primary and one as the secondary, as MOPAR-TO-YA suggested. The primay carb is the one with the choke, and it is situated in the rear. You will need a progressive linkage, which means a linlkage which allows the primary barrels of the rear carb to open first, then the front carb. You don't want to drive around with four barrels opening all of the time. Try to get an illustration of what a factory four-barrel linkage looked like and you will get the idea.
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Location: At "The Rock" in upper East Tennessee | I use two factory AFB's (later model) and I have them set up just as everyone has described with the exception of me having a manual choke. I like to have control. Plus mine only wants choke right at start up then full open but she runs perfect. |
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Location: Buffalo, NY | Guys,
I really appreciate the help and advice. Sometimes I don't know what I'd do without this forum.
Any suggestions on Electronic Ignition? Can I just buy a distributor ready to go or do I need to do alot of modification? This is something I need step by step help with. |
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Location: Ripon, WI | LA distributors are a bolt in on that... I recommend MSD. Very good ignition and not sensitive to voltage at all. |
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Location: At "The Rock" in upper East Tennessee | Your not gonna beat MSD. I plan on a full MSD ignition for mine as soon as I have the extra cash in the car budget. I have pertronix now and I hate it. I need more juice.
The MSD is plug and play. If you get the MSD dizzy and 6A or 6AL (i would get the 6AL just for the rubber mounts and rev chip) then all you have to do is read the instructions. Also get a blaster coil. |
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Location: Buffalo, NY | Donnie,
This is probably going to sound stupid but aside from aftermarket carbs I was hoping to have the engine bay look as "original" as possible. Wouldn't I have to find a place on the firewall to mount the MSD Box? I was hoping for a distributor that looks original. Is there a way to have a good strong Electronic Ignition hidden so to say? |
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Location: cornpatch county, Southwest IOA | Bloodhound - 2007-03-04 4:52 PM
Donnie,
This is probably going to sound stupid but aside from aftermarket carbs I was hoping to have the engine bay look as "original" as possible. Wouldn't I have to find a place on the firewall to mount the MSD Box? I was hoping for a distributor that looks original. Is there a way to have a good strong Electronic Ignition hidden so to say?
I have been searching for- and cannot find -cause I don't know what I'm doing- A short while back there was a post from a guy that made an adapter to mount a stock GM electronic modual to and under a Mopar distributor. These are for sale from him and included instructions. Seems like you had to use a later modle distributor if it was for a Chry Hemi and get a drive adapter from Hotheads. But it may bolt right on to a non-Hemi dist. Can someone find this thread or remember it? ........................................5%............. |
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Location: At "The Rock" in upper East Tennessee | Bloodhound - 2007-03-04 5:52 PM
Donnie,
This is probably going to sound stupid but aside from aftermarket carbs I was hoping to have the engine bay look as "original" as possible. Wouldn't I have to find a place on the firewall to mount the MSD Box? I was hoping for a distributor that looks original. Is there a way to have a good strong Electronic Ignition hidden so to say?
Paint the dizzy and the coil black then mount the box somewhere under the dash or in the glovebox. Anywhere it won't get to wet and it's out of sight.
Don't worry about sounding stupid. You should read some of the questions I have had. |
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Location: cornpatch county, Southwest IOA | MOPAR-TO-YA - 2007-03-04 7:44 PM
Bloodhound - 2007-03-04 4:52 PM
Donnie,
This is probably going to sound stupid but aside from aftermarket carbs I was hoping to have the engine bay look as "original" as possible. Wouldn't I have to find a place on the firewall to mount the MSD Box? I was hoping for a distributor that looks original. Is there a way to have a good strong Electronic Ignition hidden so to say?
I have been searching for- and cannot find -cause I don't know what I'm doing- A short while back there was a post from a guy that made an adapter to mount a stock GM electronic modual to and under a Mopar distributor. These are for sale from him and included instructions. Seems like you had to use a later modle distributor if it was for a Chry Hemi and get a drive adapter from Hotheads. But it may bolt right on to a non-Hemi dist. Can someone find this thread or remember it? ........................................5%.............
I am bringing up this post again- I still haven't found it and it was interesting info. An alternative to pertronix and the modual was near as your parts house.................5%.... |
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Location: SE Arizona | For a really stock look you can convert your stock cast iron distributor to electronic using off the shelf Mopar parts. You basically remove you stock breaker cam and breaker plate and replace it with a 318-360 breaker plate pickup reluctor and vacume advance. You will need to drill one new breaker plate retaining hole and cut a small slot for the housing for the new wire to come out using the factory gormet (or cut the wires and run then thru the original hole.
The stock chrysler bocx is much easier to hide the the MSD unit. Put on a good coil and away you go. Nice part is of you do have a componet go out there on any part store shelf rather than having to wait for mail order parts.
I've run these in the past and currently have one in my 57, works great. |
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Location: So. Cal | Mopar-to-ya, the link you are referring to is http://www.designed2drive.com and I am the one who makes and sells them. They allow you to convert a stock mopar electronic distributor to use a GM HEI module and mount it underneath the distributor. I designed them for my 56 Plymouth so I wouldn't have to mount an orange box on my firewall, and to get rid of the ballast resistor. I really like this solution because it is cheap, reliable and self-contained.
Mike, that is very interesting what you are saying that you can use the later electronic internals in the old iron distributor housing. I have done that to aluminum distributors from 1965-1970, but I hadn't thought about trying it on an older model. I wonder if my HEI adapter will work with the old distributor housing. I will check it out  . |
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Location: cornpatch county, Southwest IOA | BINGO !!! That is exactly the one I was searching for. Ain't the ForwardLook site GREAT? Thanks !.................5%................. |
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Location: SE Arizona | That's a pretty slick setup Powerflite.
The one thing I forgot to mention that if your using an early (55 and earlier (?)) distributor you will need to use the later style 56 and up cast iron distributor cap. It's a little taller and used the latter style rotor which you have to use.
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