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Location: Northen Virginia | I saw another thread reffering to this Newport sedan vin
SO NUMBER-0626 1242
SHIPPING ORDER NUMBER where 0626 is the scheduled build date - June 26, 1961 (late production)
1242 -
mine is:
SO NUMBER-0927 9399
So my shipping order was September 27, 1961?. I think we are something wrong with the year, seem to me like that the VIN above was a very early production car and was actually produced in 1960, and since they made 34370 sedans that year it make sense.
Another clue is that my distributor is from a 1960 model cars, because the aluminum unit was introduced in early 1961, after my car was produced.
The car above is definitely especial due to the very early production number.
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Location: Under the X in Texas | Not real clear what your question is, but yes, I would say your 0927 indicates the car was built in September of 1960 which was probably first month of full production of the '61 models. That the answer you seek? |
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Location: bishop, ca | Denis, what's your car's VIN---or, the last 6 numbers of it?
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Location: Northen Virginia | My question is
"Car A" : build date - June 26 / SO Number 1242
My car : Build date - Set 27 / SO Number 9399
how could be possible that the "Car A" was a later production than mine.
My vin number is 8113115506 |
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Location: bishop, ca | Denis, you do not know the VIN, of Car-A, for comparison with/to your own car?
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Location: Northen Virginia | I don’t know the other VIN, "car A" was in another thread, chrycoman gave the schedule date some vin decode and assured that the car was build in 1961. |
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Location: Northen Virginia | maybe i can ask to the owner
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Location: New Orleans-ish | Not to hijack this thread, but I also have a strange issue with my '61 Newport. The scheduled build date on both the IBM card and the fender tag is 0412 indicating April 12, 1961. However, that same IBM card shows the shipping date as 04/11. There is no other reference anywhere on the IBM card that indicates other dates. Is it possible that it was built earlier than scheduled? I guess '61 IBM cards don't give actual build dates either. Can anyone make any sense of this? |
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Location: bishop, ca | De, your car was, indeed, "scheduled" to have been built on (or around) 4/12/61.
It may have been actually built on 4/11, but, it left the factory on 4/11/61, so, it was built no later than 4/11/61, and that
is a perfectly normal situation....being built a day or so +/- the Scheduled build date.
Sometimes, a car is shipped way-later than the date that it was built, for a variety of reasons.
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Location: New Orleans-ish | But with that being the only information given on the IBM card, I guess there would be no way to tell for sure the "actual build date". We would only know that it could not have been built later than April 11th, right? Is it possible that a car could be built and shipped on the same day?
What is really ironic though, is that the Chrysler Historical build sheet decoding that I ordered was prepared and dated April 11, 2011-exactly 50 years to the day my car was shipped! |
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Location: Vancouver, BC | The Shipping Order Number has two parts to it - the Scheduled Build Date and the Sequence Number.
The Sequence Number, though, was not sequential from day one to the end of production, but a DAILY number. Which is why the latter number was always tied to the former. Someone in the DeSoto club stated the first digit of the Sequence Number was tied to the body or make of the car. I believe he stated numbers starting with "3" were DeSotos, at least at the Jefferson plant in 1961.
Also, starting in 1960, the first car off the line was 100001. The second car off the line, whether or not it was the same car line or series as the first, was number 100002. And so on. No assembly plant, except Hamtramck, built more than one car with 100001 in the VIN for the model year. Hamtramck had two assembly lines, one for the A bodies and a second for B bodies. The B body line started at 100001 while the A started at 300001 or 500001 (depending upon year).
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Location: Northen Virginia | Very interesting, I beginning to believe that this may never be solve, maybe because the factory never use a mathematical procedure, it is just no way to tell.
If the sequence number was a daily number, mine been 9399 that mean that the plant was producing more than 391 cars per hour about 6 cars per second!
According to my VIN last 6 digits 115.506 still make no sense since the whole production of Chrysler never reach the 100.000
My New Yorker was produced in Oct 14th and the last 6 digits are 120.624 which draw to the conclusion that the actual last 5 number are the importants.
I have another VIN belonging to a car I stripped out years ago, was also Newport 4d sedan and the last 6 digits are 171.664 but unfortunately I don’t have the other info
My Newport: Sep 1960 serial number: 15.506
My New Yorker: October 1960 Serial number: 20.624
Other VIN I found: (No Date) Serial number: 71.664
We need more VIN numbers from 4dr sedans to reach to a conclusion, we have enough Newports 4dr Sedans in here.
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Location: bishop, ca | Denis, without looking at the actual production numbers for your car, the first example built may have been 100001, so that
"115506" might actually be 15,506th built, out of xx,xxx built, in total, for the model year.
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Location: Vancouver, BC | hemidenis - 2011-10-20 11:05 AM
Very interesting, I beginning to believe that this may never be solve, maybe because the factory never use a mathematical procedure, it is just no way to tell.
If the sequence number was a daily number, mine been 9399 that mean that the plant was producing more than 391 cars per hour about 6 cars per second!
According to my VIN last 6 digits 115.506 still make no sense since the whole production of Chrysler never reach the 100.000
My New Yorker was produced in Oct 14th and the last 6 digits are 120.624 which draw to the conclusion that the actual last 5 number are the importants.
I have another VIN belonging to a car I stripped out years ago, was also Newport 4d sedan and the last 6 digits are 171.664 but unfortunately I don’t have the other info
My Newport: Sep 1960 serial number: 15.506
My New Yorker: October 1960 Serial number: 20.624
Other VIN I found: (No Date) Serial number: 71.664
We need more VIN numbers from 4dr sedans to reach to a conclusion, we have enough Newports 4dr Sedans in here.
To repeat myself, the FIRST serial number was 100001, and not 000001. The serial number was consecutive, regardless of car line, series or body style. The Jefferson Avenue plant built Chryslers and DeSotos in 1961 so the serial number sequence would include DeSoto, Chrysler Newport, Chrysler Windsor, Chrysler New Yorker and Chrysler 300-G models. And it would include all sedans, hardtops, convertibles and wagons. So if you are trying to figure out anything from the VIN you will have to include ALL Chryslers and DeSotos, and not just Newport sedans.
The VIN on your Newport should look like -
8113115506
8 - Chrysler
1 - Newport
1 - 1961
3 - Jefferson Avenue plant
115506 - 15,506th 1961 car off the Jefferson line
your New Yorker _
8313120624
8 - Chrysler
3 - New Yorker
1 - 1961
3 - Jefferson Avenue plant
120624 - 20,624th 1961 car off the Jefferson lineNote that the VIN does not have a digit for the body style, only the car line and series. The sequential number on the VIN, 115506, has nothing to do with the Shipping Order Number. The VIN number deals with how many cars have come off line during the model year while the SON deals with daily production allocation. The first digit of the daily sequence did not start at 1001 or 0001 in all cases. The first digit was connected to either the body or the car line. As I stated, a member or the DeSoto club believed that DeSotos started with "3". Would like to know what "9" stands for in the case of your car. The build record might have some clue. By the way, the Jefferson plant built 3,034 1961 DeSotos and 87,372 1961 Chryslers. 1961 Imperials were built at the Warren Avenue plant, although one article I read stated Imperial production moved back to Jefferson in May or June, 1961. (1961 Polaras, DeSotos, Chryslers and Imperials were built only in Detroit.) There really is no mystery here. Chrysler started the VIN and SON at "1" and went up. Depending upon the situation, it was 100001 (annual plant VIN), 3001 (daily DeSoto SON), etc., which is why the Scheduled Build Date was part of the SON. Should also point out that what held true in 1961 may not necessarily hold true for earlier years or after the late 1960's. |
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Location: bishop, ca | Hmmm, 15, 506th built, just like I said.
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Location: Atlanta, GA | The VIN is clear, but the SO sequence number appears vague as it doesn't seem like anyone has the specific information on how these were set. My car is a bit different from most as the SO number denotes a special order that has been confirmed by three different experts. My 61 Newport has a build date of 4-21 and an engine stamp of 4-14. The SO is 0501 8888. Thus the Shipping Order Date was May 1, 1961, the actual build date was April 21, and the Sequence Number was 8888. The car was a special build for testing purposes and was ordered by the Proving Ground Engineering department which apparently explains the 8888 sequence number. |
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Location: bishop, ca | Jack, it looks like your best bet, now, is to try to contact Mr. Peabody, but, if he has passed, maybe his boy Sherman...
Sherman's probably getting up in age, though, so don't waste time, in traveling.
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Lot of info, I would like to know where you get that all Chryslers were numbered no matter the body style or brand if you include Desoto, it makes a lot of sense in the numbers but not practically in the assembly line.
Since every time I said something I’m required to present a Virgil Exner / Tex Colbert signed certificated at least I have to ask, where do you get all this assembly line info?
“Number” section of the plate still a mystery in my opinion:
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