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Location: N.W. Fla. | I've had good luck with Ospho & paint. Can cause some things to sieze up though. |
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Location: Perth Australia | Not sure if you can get it over there, But I used a product called fertan, seemed to work fine.
Its basically the stuff that turns it a purpley black colour and then you rinse it off with water, its then weldable, paintable ect
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Location: ALABAMA, HEART OF DIXIE | 60 dart - 2014-02-28 3:15 AMdoes any of it work ----------------------------------------------later
Rust converter is a standard item in my shop. A chemical reaction converts existing rust into carbon, and stops it dead.
http://store.interstateproducts.com/products/Rust_Control
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Location: Hayward, Calif | I use Rust-Seal. A white liquid in a bottle, turns the rust black, surrounding non rusty metal turns kinda yellow color. Brush it on and let it dry. Can be sanded and primed over. Local paint store should have it. Jerry |
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Location: Netherlands | I have some stuff that converts rust in to dust...
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Location: Camptown PA | Rust converters work by chemically converting rust ( ferrous oxide) into a ferric oxide which is a black color, sometimes referred to as black oxide. The black oxide does offer some protection to the metal, but it can still form rust. The black oxide coating is also known as blueing and can be found on guns and some fasteners. In order for the rust converter to work well, the rusty metal should be at least power wire brushed to remove all loose rust and scale. The converter should be applied generously and allowed time to work (the warmer the conditions the faster it works). The converter should be cleaned up per the manufactors instructions and should be top coated with something like Eastwoods rust encapsulator, Bill Hirsh miracle paint or POR 15. If you have a rusty part and want to remove all the rust, there is a product called EVAPORUSTwhich works really well, but you have to be able to soak the rusty part in the EVAPORUST for quite a while. Hope this helps. |
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Location: Alvin, Texas | Has anyone tried using molasses? I've seen it on YouTube. You use molasses and water I don't know the concentration. You soak your part or piece for a week take it out and power wash it. I think someone from Australia came up with this. |
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Location: Connecticut | Phatton - 2014-02-28 3:37 PM Rust converters work by chemically converting rust ( ferrous oxide) into a ferric oxide which is a black color, sometimes referred to as black oxide. The black oxide does offer some protection to the metal, but it can still form rust. The black oxide coating is also known as blueing and can be found on guns and some fasteners. In order for the rust converter to work well, the rusty metal should be at least power wire brushed to remove all loose rust and scale. The converter should be applied generously and allowed time to work (the warmer the conditions the faster it works). The converter should be cleaned up per the manufactors instructions and should be top coated with something like Eastwoods rust encapsulator, Bill Hirsh miracle paint or POR 15. If you have a rusty part and want to remove all the rust, there is a product called EVAPORUSTwhich works really well, but you have to be able to soak the rusty part in the EVAPORUST for quite a while. Hope this helps. I was agreeing with you until the part about top coating with the Eastwood, Hirsh or POR15 stuff. Once you use the rust converter, you should just top coat with regular paint. You should use rust converter or the Eastwood stuff or Bill Hirsh or POR15, not a combination of any of the above. Also, for best results, you should sand blast the metal to clean up the rust if you decide to use Bill Hirsh or POR15. Ron |
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Location: WHEELING,WV.>>>HOME OF WWVA | hell , if i blast a part clean , i aint usin rust converter . what would be the use . the rust is gone .--------------------------------------------------------------------later |
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Location: Connecticut | After sandblasting, you don't want to use a rust converter, but instead use a product like POR15, because it creates a barrier coat to prevent future rusting. Ron |
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Location: WHEELING,WV.>>>HOME OF WWVA | i've used more por-15 than probably 99% of the people here . if once the rust converter is used and cured there's no reason not to use por-15 or any other lock down/rust preventer , other than regular top
coat can be way more inexpensive . depending what regular top coat is used it real , real cheap . ---------------------------------------------------later |
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Location: ALABAMA, HEART OF DIXIE | 60 dart - 2014-03-02 12:04 AM , if i blast a part clean. the rust is gone .
This is true , rust converter is ineffective on clean metal. It requires rust, (oxidation), to be present to be of use. It reacts with existing oxidation to stop the process. |
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Location: Upper Hunter NSW Australia | JoeyAlvin58 - 2014-03-02 6:59 AM
Has anyone tried using molasses? I've seen it on YouTube. You use molasses and water I don't know the concentration. You soak your part or piece for a week take it out and power wash it. I think someone from Australia came up with this.
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Yep, I've used Molasses to eat rust off items a few years back but can't remember the molasses-to-water ratio offhand. You have to clean the parts as much as possible prior , mix up the solution and just immerse in the solution. You have to take it out every few days as it gets a sludgy type stuff on it whilst it's doing its thing. Just wash the sludge off with water and hose and re-immerse. I've only ever tried it on steel products but it does work.
I guess it's a bit like dropping a discolored penny in Coca Cola overnight and finding it nice and shiny the next day. I think the active eater in CC is Phosphoric acid ???
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Location: WHEELING,WV.>>>HOME OF WWVA | i cleaned my firewall ID plate with straight white vinegar . took a while but it did work really good . haven't put it back on the car yet , it's layin in my "good" junk drawer in our bedroom
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Location: Alvin, Texas | I'm going to try this molasses method and get back with y'all on its results. Where would be a good place to buy this? Tractor supply? |
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Location: WHEELING,WV.>>>HOME OF WWVA | lol, try kroger -------------------------------------------------------------later |
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rust converter ???????????
