Re: Brake blues!

[Bill Watson <chrycoman@xxxxxxxxx>]

Those brakes were originally supplied by Bendix - drums, shoes, hold
down parts, adjusters - the works.

But virtually all brake companies made after market parts for all
companies.  Thus Wagner made drums and shoes for Bendix brakes.

Wagner is an old name in the brake business.  Wagner Electric acquired
Lockheed, the main developer of hydraulic brakes in North America
(with a little help from the Three Musketeers), in 1932 but developed
a more 'normal' line of brakes under the Wagner name with designs
similar to Bendix (who got into hydraulic brakes around 1938).

Lockheed began losing customer base in the 1940's but Wagner usually
picked up the lost business.  Wagner first offered self-adjusting
brakes in 1947 (Studebaker) and dual master cylinders (Rambler 1962
and Studebaker 1963).  They are now part of Federal-Mogul and are the
world's largest supplier of brakes and brake-related items.
Federal-Mogul also owns Abex, an old aftermarket supplier of brake
parts.

Bendix is also still around, for years part of Allied Signals, but now
part of Honeywell Friction Materials.  Another old name in brakes,
Raybestos (1902), is also still going strong..

Lockheed Brakes was founded by Alan Loughead, who changed the spelling
of his last name to more closely match the pronounciation.  His
brother Alan, who also changed his last name to Lockheed, was into
airplanes.

Bill
Toronto, ON


On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Jacob Fox <imfast101@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Yea that's what's in my shop manual. I just checked oriellys those drums
> aren't Wagner but brake best select. Any good?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 10, 2012, at 12:47 PM, Eric Sturgis <ericsturgis@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> If you don't have those bolts as in the pic you have the other kind of
> brakes.  Look at the link Gary Sent you.  It's correct.
> http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s63/jeeping1974/axles/DSC04471.jpg
>
> On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 10:45 AM, Jacob Fox <imfast101@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> After looking at that pic, it seems I can't just loosen those two bolts
>> but use that adjustment wheel. I'm gonna bet all my problems stemmed from
>> them being adjusted too tight when the guy I got my car from said he did a
>> brake job. I was able to see the shoes, they still had life to them. I also
>> had a question on my previous reply I believe.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Feb 10, 2012, at 12:31 PM, Dodger7998@xxxxxxx wrote:
>>
>> I agree,,,I can not swear to the 63 models, but know that they had gone
>> Bendix by 64 for sure,,,,,,
>>
>> In a message dated 2/10/2012 11:33:47 A.M. Central Standard Time,
>> chrycoman@xxxxxxxxx writes:
>>
>> Total Contact Brakes, basically a modification of the old Lockheed
>> brakes, were not used in 1964.
>>
>> All Mopar cars used Bendix brakes with the 1963 models.  There will be
>> small slots on the lower part of the backing plates, probably covered
>> with rubber plugs to keep the dirt out.  A small mirror will be
>> helpful here.
>>
>> The check list for Lockheed/Total Contact Brakes vs Bendix -
>>
>> Emergency brake on the rear of the transmission - Lockheed / TCB
>> Emergency brake on the rear wheels - Bendix brakes
>>
>> Pushbutton automatic with no park position - Lockheed / TCB
>> Pushbutton automatic with park position - Bendix brakes
>>
>> The change to Bendix brakes started with new Valaint in 1960.  The new
>> B bodiy for 1962 received Bendix brakes.  Finally the C (880 -
>> Chrysler) and D (Imperial) bodies were converted to Bendix for 1963.
>>
>> Bill
>> Toronto, ON
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Jacob Fox <imfast101@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> > Man thank y'all for all the info! Now that you tell me all that I really
>> > hope I didn't bend anything, its hard to find these parts! I found drums at
>> > oriellys for 80 bucks a pop, figured I'd just get two once I get some money.
>> > I have a shop manual and it didn't even say anything about those adjustment
>> > bolts, said something about an adjustment wheel. Ima definitely try that
>> > when I get some drums!
>> >
>> > Ruth is a 64 polaris the same? And thanks Eric for all the info! Ima try
>> > and get the drums and shoes from a parts store and hopefully I don't need
>> > anything else. Im prolly gonna order them today, and get them tomorrow
>> > morning. Hopefully the hubs come off the drum easier than the drums off the
>> > car! Haha
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> > On Feb 10, 2012, at 8:13 AM, "Gary H." <62to65mopar@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Thanks for the comprehensive review. I forgot about that '64 having the
>> >> "Total Contact" style brakes when I sent the earlier email with links to the
>> >> newer style brakes.  Those brakes are definitely a "love 'em or hate 'em"
>> >> design. Hum, should have been used on 1962 B Body cars then. LOL
>> >>
>> >> FWIW there is a factory service reference booklet about these "Total
>> >> Contact" brakes online at:
>> >> http://www.imperialclub.com/Repair/Lit/Master/161/
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,
>> >> Gary H.
>> >>> -------Original Message-------
>> >>> From: Eric Sturgis
>> >>> I believe a 1964 Dodge 880 still has the old Total Contact Brakes as
>> >>> used
>> >>> in 1962 Newports.  ...
>> >>
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