Re: Brake Light Switch (was Electrical question)

[Joseph Bitterman <furyrestored@xxxxxxxxx>]

after viewing your pics dave that spring your seeing with the drips of old brake fluid hanging on should not be seen your rubber boot is deteriorated and will only lead to problems down the road it is already leaking some and not having the rubber boot on there will let dirt and moisture in to the bore on your master cylinder, eventually it will fail,having the old single resovoir master cylinder you better make sure your emergency brake works and practice applying it.If that were mine i think i would pull your master and either rebuild it or replace it cheaper than a front clip just my 2 cents but i have had failure in our single pot masters before and luckily i was only moving slowly and able to stop with quick e brake response stopping about 6 inches before hitting a steel locked gate.............  

--- On Fri, 6/10/11, Dave64 <lt7dave@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> From: Dave64 <lt7dave@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: Brake Light Switch (was Electrical question)
> To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Friday, June 10, 2011, 6:15 PM
> Thanks, guys.  Here are some
> pics of mine.  Some are with the pedal up and some with
> it depressed.  It's making contact with the bar of the
> pedal and not the lighter colored pad (nub) - even though it
> may look different in some of the pics.  I think it
> should be lined up with the pad (nub), if I'm seeing what
> you guys are describing.  What do you guys think?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Dave
> '64 Belvedere 2DHT
> 318 Poly, Push Button Auto
> Originally Florida A/C Car
> 
> 
> --- On Fri, 6/10/11, Joseph Bitterman <furyrestored@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> 
> > From: Joseph Bitterman <furyrestored@xxxxxxxxx>
> > Subject: Re: Brake Light Switch (was Electrical
> question)
> > To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Date: Friday, June 10, 2011, 8:01 AM
> > nub on the end of the rod that is
> > exactly how mine is on my 65 500 ,i recently changed
> my
> > master cyllinder and the new one did not have the nub
> behind
> > the bushing at the pedal hook up pivot point that
> touches
> > the white plastic plunger on the switch and my brake
> lights
> > stayed on so i had to pull the master cylinder back
> off and
> > change the rod from my old to the new!works fine now
> but i
> > dont know why the company i bought my new master from
> sent
> > me one without the nub on it?actually when i installed
> the
> > new master i thought that i could loosen the switch
> and move
> > it forward enough to hit the nobless new rod but no
> luck, so
> > what i found out was it would have been much easier to
> bench
> > inspect old and new and switch out the rods before
> > installing rather than install, pull, switch rods,
> and
> > install then rebleed as there is not alot of room
> under
> > there and all four bolts holding the master to the
> firewall
> > have the nuts on the inside a air ratchet sure made
> the
> >  job much easier!!!! although my 66 fury has the
> nubless
> > rod and the switch plunger actually hits on the flat
> front
> > of the brake pedal arm.............   
> > 
> > --- On Fri, 6/10/11, MO <micher@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > From: MO <micher@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Subject: Re: Brake Light Switch (was Electrical
> > question)
> > > To: "The 1962 to 1965 Mopar Mail List Clubhouse"
> > <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Date: Friday, June 10, 2011, 2:06 AM
> > > Dave ,  IIRC there is an
> > > extension of the rod that comes out of the
> > > master cylinder to the brake pedal  on past the
> > > attaching bolt-
> > > bushing. That extension pushes on the brake
> light
> > > switch.  I am pretty
> > > sure that is the way on my 64 Dodge non- power
> > > brakes.......................MO.
> > > 
> > > On Jun 9, 9:17 pm, Dave64 <lt7d...@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > wrote:
> > > > I was fooling with mine this afternoon.  I
> found
> > that
> > > the plunger was all gummed up inside the switch.
>  I
> > sprayed
> > > it up with WD-40 to get it working again (must be
> a
> > spring
> > > inside that was sticking).  So it seems to be
> working
> > fine
> > > now.  A couple of questions, though.  
> > > >
> > > > The end of the plunger has a knob on it
> that
> > looks
> > > like it should line up with a larger part of the
> > pedal
> > > mechanism, but mine lines up with a skinny part
> of
> > the
> > > pedal.  Perhaps that's correct?  The bracket
> the
> > switch is
> > > attached to is slightly loose, so the switch
> doesn't
> > seem to
> > > stay in the exact proper location and the brake
> lights
> > now
> > > stay on unless I pull up on the pedal.  I tried
> to
> > get to
> > > the bolt that tightens the bracket up, but what
> a
> > bugger
> > > that is to reach and get a wrench on.  My
> daughter
> > has some
> > > success getting in there with the instrument
> panel
> > removed.
> > >  But she had to go to work before I got things
> > finished up.
> > >  We'll try it again when we have time.  I'm
> thinking
> > a new
> > > switch would be a good idea anyway, but looking
> for
> > any tips
> > > you guys may have on the position of the switch
> and
> > getting
> > > to that mounting bolt above the steering column.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Dave
> > > > '64 Belvedere
> > > >
> > > > --- On Wed, 6/8/11, 64-polara <wchus...@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > From: 64-polara <wchus...@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > Subject: Re: Electrical question
> > > > > To: "The 1962 to 1965 Mopar Mail List
> > Clubhouse"
> > > <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > Date: Wednesday, June 8, 2011, 7:15 AM
> > > > > My brake lights now work. I cleaned
> > > > > off the terminals and shot some
> > > > > electrical contact spray on them and in
> the
> > > plunger area on
> > > > > the switch
> > > > > and it works great but will probably 
> buy
> > a
> > > switch and
> > > > > replace it
> > > > > anyway, they are reasonably priced.
> > > >
> > > > > i did pull the grounding strap on the
> fuel
> > tank
> > > and sanded
> > > > > the gas
> > > > > lines. With my handy dremel tool
> cleaned out
> > the
> > > contact
> > > > > surfaces on
> > > > > the strap, still nothing. So I will do
> some
> > > testing on the
> > > > > sending
> > > > > unit and clean some other connections
> to
> > make
> > > sure I have a
> > > > > good
> > > > > ground. So will see what happens. Could
> be
> > the
> > > voltage
> > > > > limiter in the
> > > > > cluster too.
> > > > > On Jun 5, 8:36 am, "Ollie" <satellite1...@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > I suspect that the brake light
> problem
> > is in
> > > the turn
> > > > > signal switch. I have
> > > > > > had 2, 65 Plys and both have
>  the
> > same
> > > problem.
> > > > > Wiggle the turn signal lever
> > > > > > and the brake lights will go on
> and
> > off.
> > > Always the
> > > > > right side on both mine.
> > > > > > Ollie
> > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Dave64
> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2011 8:07
> AM
> > > > > > To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Electrical question
> > > >
> > > > > > Another possibilty on your brake
> > lights
> > > could be the
> > > > > turn signal switch.  I
> > > > > > think mine is bad -
> intermittently
> > > works/doesn't work.
> > > > >  I have a new Daniel
> > > > > > Stern switch on the bench - just
> need
> > to get
> > > around to
> > > > > installing it.
> > > >
> > > > > > Dave
> > > >
> > > > > > --- On Thu, 6/2/11, 64-polara
> <wchus...@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > > > From: 64-polara <wchus...@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Electrical
> question
> > > > > > > To: "The 1962 to 1965 Mopar
> Mail
> > List
> > > Clubhouse"
> > > > > > > <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > Date: Thursday, June 2,
> 2011,
> > 10:04 AM
> > > > > > > Yup
> > > > > > > all of the other lights were
> > working. I
> > > will
> > > > > check the
> > > > > > > ground strap
> > > > > > > and I had thought about the
> switch
> > and
> > > doing what
> > > > > you said.
> > > > > > > Will check
> > > > > > > it out tonight.
> > > > > > > Thanks
> > > >
> > > > > > > On Jun 2, 7:37 am, Dodger7...@xxxxxxx
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > Fuel gauge,,,,,,, did
> the
> > rest of
> > > your
> > > > > gauges work
> > > > > > > properly? if so it is
> > > > > > > > more than likely the
> ground
> > strap
> > > >
> > > > > > > > Brake lights,,,,, did
> your
> > > interior lights,
> > > > > and dash
> > > > > > > lights work ? if not
> > > > > > > > check fuses, if they
> did
> > work,
> > > jumper the
> > > > > wires at the
> > > > > > > brake light switch,
> > > > > > > > if  they work then, it
> is
> > the
> > > switch,,,, if
> > > > > they
> > > > > > > still do not work, I would
> > > > > > > > find the  rear chassis
> > harness
> > > plug
> > > > > connection, and
> > > > > > > check for corrusion, both
> > > > > > > > your  taillights and
> fuel
> > gauge
> > > probably go
> > > > > through
> > > > > > > that same plug,,,
> > > >
> > > > > > > > In a message dated
> 6/2/2011
> > > 6:47:42 A.M.
> > > > > Central
> > > > > > > Daylight Time,
> > > >
> > > > > > > > wchus...@xxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > > writes:
> > > >
> > > > > > > > Well the  Polara rolled
> out
> > of
> > > the garage
> > > > > under its
> > > > > > > own power yesterday
> > > > > > > > afternoon.  What a
> great
> > feeling
> > > after its
> > > > > innards
> > > > > > > and outards
> > > > > > > > cluttering up my garage
>  for
> > the
> > > last
> > > > > year.
> > > >
> > > > > > > > I replaced the fuel
> sending
> > unit
> > > about 4
> > > > > years ago.
> > > > > > >  While the car had
> > > > > > > > been in my garage
> waiting to
> > go
> > > back
> > > > > together the gas
> > > > > > >  guage had been
> > > > > > > > working fine. Yesterday
> > started it
> > > up drove
> > > > > it a few
> > > > > > > miles  and it was
> > > > > > > > ok just low on gas.
> About an
> > hour
> > > later
> > > > > after putting
> > > > > > > the wheel  covers
> > > > > > > > back on I start it up
> and
> > the
> > > guage is
> > > > > bottomed out
> > > > > > > below the  E
> > > > > > > > mark.So I shut it off,
> start
> > it up
> > > again
> > > > > same thing.
> > > > > > > Get some gas  in
> > > > > > > > it, still the same
> thing.
> > Later
> > > took my wife
> > > > > out to DQ
> > > > > > > as a  little
> > > > > > > > celebration and cruise
> so
> > while
> > > waiting in
> > > > > line the
> > > > > > > guage starts  to
> > > > > > > > move in the full
> direction
> > then
> > > stopped and
> > > > > went to
> > > > > > > empty again.
> > > > > > > > I  will check out the
> fuel
> > > sending unit
> > > > > wires and
> > > > > > > ground strap
> > > > > > > > tonight.Anybody  have
> any
> > > thoughts on
> > > > > that?
> > > >
> > > > > > > > Next issue. Brake
> lights
> > were
> > > working fine
> > > > >  before
> > > > > > > yesterday. Now they
> > > > > > > > are not. Noticed that
> at
> > Dairy
> > > Queen  also
> > > > > > > > when i didnt see my
> brake
> > light
> > > reflection
> > > > > in the big
> > > > > > > aXX  Navigator
> > > > > > > > behind me. Maybe the
> switch
> > for
> > > the brake
> > > > > light at the
> > > > > > > pedal? if  so
> > > > > > > > what would be a good
> source
> > to get
> > > it from?
> > > >
> > > > > > > > Other than that it  was
> a
> > great
> > > feeling to
> > > > > be back in
> > > > > > > the bucket seats
> > > > > > > > again all 4 windows
>  down.
> > > >
> > > > > > > > Will post some pics
> soon.
> > > >
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