Neal, Another fellow class of '81 grad, here. I've always felt fortunate to have been born when I was. I used to think I was born 10 year late, but I'm good with it knowing how lucky we were to get our licenses in '79. We had all of these awesome 10-15 year old cars that were just older used cars at the time. My first car was a '70 GTX - I drove it to HS every day. What a blast we had! We had Cudas, Chargers, Challengers, Super Bees, Roadrunners - and even all the Ford and Chevy cars too. I feel a little sorry for the current generation who is left to the tuner cars as their hotrods. I guess it's a least something for them - but not my cup of tea. I used to be Mopar or no car (still am), but now I can even appreciate an old Camaro or Vette. It's just nice to see anything old like that being preserved and used. We were lucky, though - we were in the middle era of those cars being afordable used cars - not brand new, and not out of reach collectibles. I still would have liked to have been driving back when you could order a Max Wedge Mopar from the dealer, though! Dave --- On Sun, 6/27/10, Neal <neal.zimmerman@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > From: Neal <neal.zimmerman@xxxxxxxxx> > Subject: Re: old mopars drying up? > To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx > Date: Sunday, June 27, 2010, 11:23 PM > > good thoughts guys, but to play devils advocate heres a > though: when i > graduated high school in '81, ( I'm 46, probably a bit > younger than > most here) we thought the old rods and lead sleds > were for losers and > now they seem to have made a comeback , albeit > through the rat rod > thing . I even like them now and back when I was > young I wouldnt even > turn my head to look at them, except to say something nasty > .maybe, > But still they have come back, so maybe there could be a > second wind > down the road for our cars. This of course assumes that > they are dying > out in interest, maybe, maybe not, as i said befoore with > current > economy woes it's hard to say. > Oh well, regardless of where current reality lies I > like my old cars > and love working on them. I consider myself fortunate to > have been in > the last generation of "cruisers" around here. Got my first > Mopar in > fall of '81 ( it was a Butterscotch 71 > cuda with 75000 miles for > 1800 bucks turnkey and drive away) and enjoyed about > 4 years of > "cruisin' the gut" every friday and saturday night, till > drunken > rowdies and flowerbed urinating goons ruined it for > everyone and the > cops shut it all down. So I feel lucky to have > got to experience the > tail end of spontaneous cruising. Yes , it was probably > better in the > early 70s when my big sisters would cruise their '60 > Plymouth Fury, > but I still had a lot of fun on those friday and saturday > nights > Memories of a lifetime. > Now I talk to young kids about the gut and they just stare > at you, > their whole idea of cruising is organized shows once a year > with > cruising " events". I tell them about the "old days, when > the rage was > Pro Street.They can't believe the mad thrash we used to go > through to > take the car apart Sunday morning for your next > upgrade and get it > all back together by the next Friday nite. Wish I had some > of that > energy now. LOL > neal zimmerman, eugene oregon > > On 6/27/10, Dooner Funderburk <doonerfunderburk@xxxxxxxxx> > wrote: > > > > Jeff, I'm glad you enjoyed. > > > > The thing is, it all boils down to what makes you > happy. If you don't enjoy > > it, it ain't worth it. If thinking about the history > is what does it for > > you, that's the way you should go about this hobby. > Me? I would be happiest, > > if everyone had an old car that they loved, and > everyone got together to > > make it the best car for them (fantasy world). I would > love to see at least > > one day a month, where there are so many old cars on > the road, that everyone > > that doesn't have one, pulls over and gets out of > their car and watches them > > go by. > > > > And see, you get the thumbs up. Doesn't matter who you > are and what you look > > like, 9 times out of 10, you are going to get a > positive reaction. > > > > For being the last generation that loves these cars, > it saddens me when my > > boys point to a four door car from the 80s and 90s and > says, "Look Daddy, > > there is a car like yours." I have to remember that > those are old cars to > > them. > > > > Have fun and enjoy that old car. > > Dooner > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > From: "Jeff Adams" <ledman_70@xxxxxxxxxxx> > > Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 1:02 PM > > To: <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx> > > Subject: RE: old mopars drying up? > > > >> > >> I liked your response Dooner... pretty clever at > the end. I've always > >> looked at my Polara as a piece of history, > wondered where it has been, > >> how many family vacations, etc. Sometimes I think > it sure would be > >> easier and cheaper to build a late model muscle > car, but then I think it > >> would look just like a lot of other cars on the > road. Every time I drive > >> mine, I either get a thumbs up or looks from > people on the street. I see > >> myself as just the current caretake of the car (as > mentioned here > >> before) and someday when I can no longer drive it, > I hope the next owner > >> will look at it the same way. I agree that for the > most part we are the > >> last generation to look at these cars the way we > do, and that's a shame. > >> The more of these old cars we pull from the weeds > and save, the more of > >> them on the street, and hopefully the odds of > getting some younger > >> people's attention will go up. But even if that's > not the case, we have > >> saved some history, shared, and enjoyed it through > OUR lives, and that's > >> made the whole trip worthwhile to me! Fell off my > soapbox, so I guess > >> I'm done now. > >> > >> Harold Dooner Funderburk wrote: > >>> > >>> This is just my opinion on ALL old cars dying > out. > >>> > >>> Everybody always seems to go the show car or > original (worth more $$$) > >>> route. Not too many people build drivers. I > want mine for driving, not > >>> for > >>> show or resale. > >>> Also, I feel that the original route is bad. > Let's just say, that one of > >>> you > >>> guys come up with a bad heart. The doctor says > he can easily fix/replace > >>> it. > >>> You can either choose one of the same year > model (same age as you, just > >>> taken care of a little better), or you can get > a younger, more powerful > >>> one, > >>> that will last a long time. Which would you > choose? Don't you think, if > >>> that > >>> old car could talk, she would choose the > younger more powerful one? > >>> Then after the doctor fixes you, do you want > to go home and have a great > >>> > >>> life, OR do you want to be put in a nursing > home where you and your > >>> fixes > >>> can just sit there and wither away. I don't > think that old car would > >>> just > >>> choose to be locked in the garage. > >>> > >>> I LOVE old cars. Not for the history, but for > the style. New cars just > >>> don't > >>> have the style that old cars have (why do you > think they are trying to > >>> make > >>> Challengers and Camaros look so much like the > old ones). But the old > >>> cars > >>> don't have the technology that new cars do. So > take an old stylish car > >>> and > >>> modernize it. Go with fuel injection, six > speed automatic, four wheel > >>> disc > >>> brakes, electric fan and fuel pump, and any > other modern device you can > >>> get > >>> on her. Then drive her every chance you get. > Drive her around the world > >>> if > >>> you can. Show her that you really love her. > >>> And you can be some old wrinkly camel smokin' > fart, some fat young > >>> pimple > >>> faced kid, OR anything in between,...... but > if you are driving an old > >>> car, > >>> you got style. > >>> > >>> This announcement has been brought to you by > the Just My Opinion > >>> Foundation. > >>> All opinions are sole property of me and are > there for sharing, to > >>> entertain > >>> you, OR to get you to thinking for yourself. > >>> > >>> Thank you for listening, > >>> Dooner > >>> > >>> > -------------------------------------------------- > >>> From: <chymar01@xxxxxxxxxxx> > >>> Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2010 9:39 PM > >>> To: <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx> > >>> Subject: Re: old mopars drying up? > >>> > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > Yeah, I've noticed that as well. > Especially the last two years or so. > >>> > I used to find stuff on a pretty regular > basis(I'm in NJ), but the > >>> > finds > >>> > > >>> > have dropped dramatically. I think we > lost quite a few rebuildables > >>> > when > >>> > > >>> > the scrap prices shot up two years ago. > Here it was over $16/100lbs. I > >>> > picked up an '87 Ramcharger, tok off the > bumpers, radiator, A/C > >>> > compressor > >>> > and evaporator, wheels and a bunch of > other stuff and still got nearly > >>> > $500 for scrap. One of the local > junkyards closed to daily business and > >>> > started clearing out the old stuff and > anything heavily picked over. > >>> > They > >>> > made 35k in a month. > >>> > Seems all I can find now are really nice, > expensive cars or completely > >>> > trashed projects not worth resurrecting. > >>> > > >>> > Mark > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > ----- Original Message ----- > >>> > From: "Neal" <neal.zimmerman@xxxxxxxxx> > >>> > To: "1962to1965mopars" <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx> > >>> > Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 10:19:26 PM > GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > >>> > Subject: old mopars drying up? > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > Hi all, I have been noticing that here > locally there just doesnt seem > >>> > to be that many old mopars ( or > musclecars period) advertised as much > >>> > or as often as five years ago. Seems like > the various craigslists > >>> > cities here in oregon used to offer up > all sorts of mopars, but > >>> > lately over the last couple years, u just > don't see that much > >>> > advertised. Can we assume that all the > old Mopars have been harvested > >>> > or is the economy making people play > their cards close to the chest > >>> > and hold out on selling hoping for a > better day? > >>> > You guys used to tease me aBOUT HOW MANY > mOPARS i WOULD FIND IN > >>> > OREGON HERE FOR SALE, some of which I > bought, but now its a rare day. > >>> > Just wondering if you guys see this > drying up in other parts of > >>> > the country as well > >>> > neal zimmerman, eugene oregon > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > ---- > >>> > Please address private mail -- mail of > interest to only one person -- > >>> > directly to that person. I.e., send > parts/car transactions and > >>> > negotiations as well as other personal > messages only to the intended > >>> > recipient, not to the Clubhouse public > address. This practice will > >>> > protect > >>> > your privacy, reduce the total volume of > mail and fine tune the content > >>> > signal to Mopar topic. Thanks! > >>> > > >>> > 1962 to 1965 Mopar Clubhouse Discussion > Guidelines: > >>> > http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.org/mletiq.html and > >>> > http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.com/general_disclaimer.html. > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > [Non-text portions of this message have > been removed] > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > ---- > >>> > Please address private mail -- mail of > interest to only one person -- > >>> > directly to that person. I.e., send > parts/car transactions and > >>> > negotiations as well as other personal > messages only to the intended > >>> > recipient, not to the Clubhouse public > address. This practice will > >>> > protect > >>> > your privacy, reduce the total volume of > mail and fine tune the content > >>> > signal to Mopar topic. Thanks! > >>> > > >>> > 1962 to 1965 Mopar Clubhouse Discussion > Guidelines: > >>> > http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.org/mletiq.html and > >>> > http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.com/general_disclaimer.html. > >>> > > >>> > > >> > >> > >> > >> Jeff Adams > >> 64 Polara > >> > >> > >> ---- > >> Please address private mail -- mail of interest to > only one person -- > >> directly to that person. I.e., send > parts/car transactions and > >> negotiations as well as other personal messages > only to the intended > >> recipient, not to the Clubhouse public address. > This practice will protect > >> > >> your privacy, reduce the total volume of mail and > fine tune the content > >> signal to Mopar topic. Thanks! > >> > >> 1962 to 1965 Mopar Clubhouse Discussion > Guidelines: > >> http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.org/mletiq.html and > >> http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.com/general_disclaimer.html. > >> > > > > > > ---- > > Please address private mail -- mail of interest to > only one person -- > > directly to that person. I.e., send parts/car > transactions and negotiations > > as well as other personal messages only to the > intended recipient, not to > > the Clubhouse public address. This practice will > protect your privacy, > > reduce the total volume of mail and fine tune the > content signal to Mopar > > topic. Thanks! > > > > 1962 to 1965 Mopar Clubhouse Discussion Guidelines: > > http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.org/mletiq.html and > > http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.com/general_disclaimer.html. > > > > > > > ---- > Please address private mail -- mail of interest to only one > person -- directly to that person. I.e., send > parts/car transactions and negotiations as well as other > personal messages only to the intended recipient, not to the > Clubhouse public address. This practice will protect your > privacy, reduce the total volume of mail and fine tune the > content signal to Mopar topic. Thanks! > > 1962 to 1965 Mopar Clubhouse Discussion Guidelines: > http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.org/mletiq.html and > http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.com/general_disclaimer.html. > > >