Re: pleasae explain mopar throttle kickdown to me - another long-winded explan

[Neal <neal.zimmerman@xxxxxxxxx>]

thank you
  neal zimmerman, eugene oregon

On 6/25/10, Steven Charette <stevec@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Neal,
> 	Exactly.  The transmission gear timing is controlled by two forces -
> the throttle pressure, which is set by your right foot, and governor
> pressure, which is regulated by a weighted valve on the output shaft of the
> transmission.
>
> 	As throttle pressure (your foot on the pedal) increases, shift
> points raise, to the point that the transmission will downshift if vehicle
> speed (governor pressure) is low enough.  As vehicle speed (and governor
> pressure) increases, it takes more throttle pressure to "kick down" the
> transmission to a lower gear.
>
> 	I like to explain it by putting my two fists together with my elbows
> pointed out -  great in person but hard to visualize in an email.  If your
> left arm is throttle pressure (accelerator position) and your right is
> governor pressure (vehicle speed) the point where your knuckles meet is the
> upshift/downshift point.  More throttle pressure (left arm moves fists to
> right) raises the shift points, and more governor pressure (right arm moves
> fists to left) causes shifts to occur sooner - downshifts take more throttle
> pressure.  Hope that makes some sense.
>
> 	So if you see a car with no throttle pressure linkage, one of two
> situations exist.  Either;
>
> A) the car is equipped with a manual shift valve body, which as the name
> implies has no automatic shifting features, the driver manually selects each
> gear, or;
>
> B) the car drives poorly and will need a transmission overhaul soon.
>
> 	There's nothing like a crisp shifting TorqueFlite, although it's
> easy to overdo it - the transmissions are over-engineered for all but the
> highest horsepower racing/pulling applications.  I personally like shifting
> a hot street/strip car, so I run Turbo-Action Cheetah valve bodies.  It
> makes driving a little more interactive, and eliminates the need for the
> "dreaded" kickdown linkage, which is actually quite simple.
>
> 	Rick Allison at A&A Transmission outside of Indianapolis has done a
> great job of working out the governors so you can fine-tune your upshifts.
> A&A has governor kits that allow you to tailor your automatic shift speeds
> to your particular combination.  They also make complete throttle linkage
> kits for specific applications, which can be used on our '62-'65 cars as
> well.
>
> 	Hope this helps...
> SC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Neal [mailto:neal.zimmerman@xxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 12:00 AM
> To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: pleasae explain mopar throttle kickdown to me
>
>
> i see so it modulates pressure for the tranny?  so the more throttle ,
> maybe, the more pressure or something. see i always thought  it just had to
> do with the gear drop down when u stab it, hence "kickdown",this all makes
> sense  thanks Darwin
>   neal Zimmerman, eugene oregon
>
> On 6/24/10, 65 <65Val@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> Kickdown is a misnomer...its actually a  hydraulic pressure
>> adjustment. If its not there, the clutches and bands will not apply
>> fully or tightly, and eventually will kill the trans.
>>
>>
>> Darwin/Victoria BC/Canada
>> '65 Cdn. Valiant Custom 100 'vert
>> --225/A833...in a million pieces...SOLD
>> '67 Dart GT 'vert
>> --273/904...in "enjoying" condition
>>
>> Check'em out...  http://s41.photobucket.com/albums/e285/65val/
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Neal" <neal.zimmerman@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To: "1962to1965mopars" <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 7:43 PM
>> Subject: pleasae explain mopar throttle kickdown to me
>>
>>
>>>
>>> why is it that they say mopars trannies  cant live without the
>>> throttle kickdown assembly? everyone says u will burn the trans out.
>>> seems like half the mopars i found have missing linkages.
>>> thanks
>>>  neal zimmerman, eugene oregon
>>>
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