Re: Tming Chain Stupid Question

From: Herb <zephyr9900@xxxxxxxxxxx>

Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 00:13:23 -0500

Your right the distributor will be firing on the down cycle BDC every other time and not on the up cycle TDC every other time as is mandnatory. I stand corrected the engine does care were the crank timing mark is. The cam timing mark can be top or bottom, placing the distributor in time or 180 degrees out. I was trying to simplify it, pointing to the distributor being out of time and got carried away thinking to hard about it! See go with your first inclination, I added the crank timing mark remark just before I sent the reply after reading it over for errors. (or if the timing mark is at the top or bottom of the crank gear) )-: Thanks Dodger7998 for keeping me in check!! I should have reread it again before sending, Lesson Learned! Herb 1956 Plymouth Belvedere 361 1959 Coronet 326 Poly 1961 Fury Sport Wagon 318 Poly 1963 Fury 2D/HT 6.1 1963 Sport Fury Convertible 361 1999 Durango SLT 5.9 2008 SRT-8 Magnum 6.1 St. Louis, MO. http://1962to1965mopar.ornocar.com/mmo42009.html -------Original Message------- From: Dodger7998@xxxxxxx Date: 4/20/2010 10:17:19 PM To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Tming Chain Stupid Question Ok Guys,,,,, guess I am going to show my stupidity here,,,,,, I can understand how the cam timing mark can be installed up or down, and it will only make the engine on time or 180 out,,,,,, but the crank gear has to be installed correctly or it will never be in time,,,,,,,, what am I missing here? In a message dated 4/20/2010 9:22:40 P.M. Central Daylight Time, zephyr9900@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: My initial remark was to short and to the point and probably confusing. ALRIGHT, The Engine doesn't care if the cam timing mark is aligned at the top or bottom of the cam gear, or if the timing mark is at the top or bottom of the crank gear, (The Distributor Does!!) just all four marks have to be in alignment with NO margin of error. That said, the gears and chain were designed to be set by using a straight edge going down through the center of the cam bolt through the center of the timing mark on the cam gear through the center of the timing mark on the crank gear then through the center of the crank bolt. Then install the distributor at top dead center, or pointing to #1 plug wire with the wires installed on your distributor in the correct firing order (ROTATION?), your engine now is in time. Aligning the timing marks together this way leaves less margin for error as designed. Timing with the marks at the top of both gears makes it open to the possibility of being one tooth off and not realizing it unless you are very careful. OK, Now, If you installed the cam gear with the timing marks correctly aligned with the straight line through the center of both bolts and both timing marks with the crank timing mark on top also then install your distributor at TDC, your distributor will be 180 degrees out of time, As I eluded to in my first statement. With the distributor installed 180 degrees out off time the engine can be made to run with the symptoms described. Nico I bet if you rotate your distributor 180d and reinstall it, it will run much smoother. Herb 1956 Plymouth Belvedere 361 1959 Coronet 326 Poly 1961 Fury Sport Wagon 318 Poly 1963 Fury 2D/HT 6.1 1963 Sport Fury Convertible 361 1999 Durango SLT 5.9 2008 SRT-8 Magnum 6.1 St. Louis, MO. http://1962to1965mopar.ornocar.com/mmo42009.html -------Original Message------- From: Nico Over Date: 4/20/2010 7:15:13 PM To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Tming Chain Stupid Question Thanks Don that is what I thought but wanted a second opinion. I'll look elsewhere for my problem. Nico On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 14:20:24 -0700 (PDT), Donald Gallimore wrote > I'm not sure you did anything wrong. Remember that the gear on the > crank rotates twice for every one rotation of the gear on the cam. > Either way, the mark at the bottom or the top of the cam gear, is > right when the mark on the crank gear is at the top. The piston is > still at Top Dead Center (TDC). (Of course, it's hard to tell if > you got it right when they are 180 degrees apart) > > Akron Don Gallimore > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: Nico Over <nover@xxxxxxxx> > > To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx > > Sent: Tue, April 20, 2010 2:39:07 PM > > Subject: Tming Chain Stupid Question > > > > > All, just finished putting Eddy Victor Heads ported to Max wedge > size, Indy > > > dual plane intake, Crane Hydraulic Roller in the winter top end > overhaul of > > > the 440 in my 63 330. It barely runs, pops out the exhaust on decel, > won't > > > idle. I have moved the timing all over the place from 0 degrees at > idle to > > 33 > degress at 3k with no difference in running characteristics. I am > sure > > that > all the plugs are firing and the valves are adjusted properly so am > at > > my > wits end on this one. Now, the only thing I can figure that I messed > up > > on > the build was that I set the timing marks in line top of each gear > at TDC > > > firing instead of the bottom of cam gear to top of crank gear. So my > > question > is: will setting the timing marks the way I did manifest itself as > > I have > noted above. I really don't want to rip it all back apart but will if > > i have > to. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated. > Nico Over > Va. > > Beach, Va. > > ---- > Please address private mail -- mail of interest to > > only one person -- directly to that person. 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