Smile,,,,,,,,,ok now that all is clear as mud on the springs, I will add this to it,,,,,,,,, I had bought a set of the ss springs from summit, and had installed them on a 64 A body plymouth that I was doing as a drag car, my son lost interest in the project so it got shelved,,,,,,, so while building my 65 I used the ss springs from it on the satellite,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,with the original hangers,,,,,,,,, I like the way it sits, and the ride is good as well,,,,,,,,,,, and yes they are the 20 inch front segment springs,,,,,,,,,,,, guess the next thing I have to do is relist my car as being an AWB,,,,,,,,,,hmmmmmmmmm maybe should use the olive drab colored duct tape, it does seem to stick better In a message dated 3/19/2010 9:30:27 A.M. Central Daylight Time, satellite1965@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: Nick Tiberio, Thanks for your link posting. After much head spinning here, a few painful muscles, both from head spinning and crawling under cars I have decided that my 65 B Body uses the 22" forward and 36" rear lengths. I see that 65 is listed in both categories..fwd length of 22" and 21". I am going to use 5 leaf Mopar Performance parts # 4452982, 4452983. Now I need to surf out the best price. I can only hope my buddy Steve Mick has survived his head spinning ordeal and is still with us! How goes it MO? Ollie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---- Please address private mail -- mail of interest to only one person -- directly to that person. I.e., send parts/car transactions and negotiations as well as other personal messages only to the intended recipient, not to the Clubhouse public address. This practice will protect your privacy, reduce the total volume of mail and fine tune the content signal to Mopar topic. Thanks! 1962 to 1965 Mopar Clubhouse Discussion Guidelines: http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.org/mletiq.html and http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.com/general_disclaimer.html. -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---- Please address private mail -- mail of interest to only one person -- directly to that person. I.e., send parts/car transactions and negotiations as well as other personal messages only to the intended recipient, not to the Clubhouse public address. This practice will protect your privacy, reduce the total volume of mail and fine tune the content signal to Mopar topic. Thanks! 1962 to 1965 Mopar Clubhouse Discussion Guidelines: http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.org/mletiq.html and http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.com/general_disclaimer.html.