RE: 273 Rebuild / moth balls in gas

[William Harrison <bbjt3@xxxxxxxxx>]

I don't think we want to get into the debate about era's and great cars.
Those that grew up in the 70's will tell the same stories as the guys that grew up in the 60's, 50's etc.
I myself don't remember any great cars of the 80's. That is unless you want to mention the K cars that saved Chrysler, but I think Lee Iacoca saved Chrysler myself.
Cars I wish I had back......48 Chevy Coupe, 49 Ford Coupe, 54 Olds 88, 56 Ford Crown Vic, 56 Chevy panel, 64 GTO 389 tripower 4 spd Convertible, 60 Pontiac Bonneville 389 4 brl Covert with a 3 speed on the floor from the factory, 58 Chevy Convet with 3 speed on the floor, 66 Bonneville Convert and last but most important; my 65 Coronet 440 4 speed with a 426 street wedge. The car I hated the most was my 59 Impala because I wanted a 56 Chevy with the new 283 with the 3 on the floor and got talked out of it my my parents banker who had a teller with a cherry 59 Impala for sale that blew up 20 miles from the bank.
Didn't know then that I could have voided the sale.
Oh....how I hated that Car and Banker....
Later
Bill Harrison 
65 Coronetr 2 dr post

--- On Wed, 1/27/10, Doug Jacobsma <big_jake57@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> From: Doug Jacobsma <big_jake57@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: RE: 273 Rebuild / moth balls in gas
> To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 1:52 PM
> 
> 
> HA!!  yes, the 80's do seem like yesterday most of the
> time.  That is untill you start thinking about it and so
> the math.  Hard to believe that time went by so fast.   
> Sure wish I had the cars now I had then.  
> 
> Jake
> '63 Sport Fury 'vert
> 
> 
> ----------------------------------------
> > To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
> > From: rlkinsley@xxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: RE: 273 Rebuild / moth balls in gas
> > Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 15:27:22 +0000
> >
> >
> > 80's ? That's just yesterday :-)
> >
> > Rich Kinsley '64 Dodge Polara 4dr 318poly w/goodies
> >
> =====================================================================
> > Douglas J wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> You got me there.  I was recalling the late
> 70's and 80's.
> >> I should have clarified.  Seems like "way
> back then" to me tho. :-)
> >> It was Mobil gas also.  Invoice indicated
> both 88 and 100 octane as
> >> unleaded.   One was red the other
> green, but I don't recall which was
> >> which.
> >>
> >> Jake
> >> '63 Sport Fury 'vert
> >>
> >>
> >> ----------------------------------------
> >>> To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
> >>> From: bbjt3@xxxxxxxxx
> >>> Subject: RE: 273 Rebuild / moth balls in gas
> >>> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 05:04:49 -0800
> >>>
> >>> It wasn't unleaded in the 60's, at least at
> our local airport.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --- On Tue, 1/26/10, Doug Jacobsma wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> From: Doug Jacobsma
> >>>> Subject: RE: 273 Rebuild / moth balls in
> gas
> >>>> To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
> >>>> Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 10:41 PM
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> When I was racing, I was driving a tank
> wagon for a living,
> >>>> and one of my customers was the local
> airport. I always
> >>>> had a good supply of av-gas on hand. What
> most people
> >>>> didn't realize, was that it was unleaded
> even back then.
> >>>>
> >>>> Jake
> >>>> '63 Sport Fury 'vert
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ----------------------------------------
> >>>>> To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>> From: zephyr9900@xxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>> Subject: RE: 273 Rebuild / moth balls
> in gas
> >>>>> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 16:50:29 -0600
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The guys that I know that used
> mothballs and swore by
> >>>> them had a five gallon
> >>>>> gas can that they did their secrete
> mixing in and then
> >>>> poured the concoction
> >>>>> through a paint filter in a funnel
> stuffed with cheese
> >>>> cloth directly into
> >>>>> their tank, and then filled it with
> Sunoco 260. They
> >>>> also had two inline
> >>>>> filters on their cars. Don't recall
> that they had any
> >>>> fuel problems, or any
> >>>>> that they would talk about. If I
> remember correctly I
> >>>> read that mothballs
> >>>>> mixed with gasoline added an extra
> oxygen molecule to
> >>>> the mixture, so it
> >>>>> makes sense that it would make more HP
> somewhat like a
> >>>> crude precursor to
> >>>>> the nitros set-ups of today. We also
> had a guy that
> >>>> swore the purple dye
> >>>>> that Martin Gas Co. put in their ethyl
> was his secrete
> >>>> performance enhancer.
> >>>>> That said I also remember one guy
> bragging that he ran
> >>>> jet fuel mixed with
> >>>>> his gas. The problem with that is jet
> fuel is just
> >>>> diesel fuel run through
> >>>>> another refining process. And regular
> gasoline is two
> >>>> or three more steps
> >>>>> above that. Now if he was bragging
> that he used the
> >>>> high octane Aviation
> >>>>> Gas like I ran then he might have
> something to brag
> >>>> about. I used to keep
> >>>>> my mouth shut and used their bragging
> as leverage to
> >>>> spot me a couple of
> >>>>> cars or more just to make the race
> even. (-; Just my
> >>>> two C!!
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>         
> 
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Herb
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 1956 Plymouth Belvedere 361
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 1959 Coronet 326 Poly
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 1963 Fury 2D/HT 6.1
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 1963 Sport Fury Convertible 361
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 1970 Challenger RT 440 - 4 Sale
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 1999 Durango SLT 5.9
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 2008 SRT-8 Magnum 6.1
> >>>>>
> >>>>> St. Louis, MO.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://1962to1965mopar.ornocar.com/mmo42009.html

> >>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -------Original Message-------
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> From: Doug Jacobsma
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Date: 1/26/2010 3:54:46 PM
> >>>>>
> >>>>> To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Subject: RE: 273 Rebuild / moth balls
> in gas
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I haven't tried it either. What I've
> been told is it
> >>>> will leave enough to
> >>>>> eventually gunk up your fuel filter.
> Atleast thats
> >>>> what the Harley guys
> >>>>> have found.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Jake
> >>>>>
> >>>>> '63 Sport Fury 'vert
> >>>>>
> >>>>> '04 Harley FXDWG
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> >>>>>
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> >>>>>
> ----------------------------------------
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> From: tomwatters@xxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: 273 Rebuild / moth
> balls in gas
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 07:59:00
> -0700
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> What kind of residue does it
> leave. Would it
> >>>> buildup in your tank and
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> fuel lines?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Not that I plan on trying it, but
> am curious about
> >>>> the adverse effect to
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> car's. Seems pretty toxic to
> people.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> --Tom
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Ollie wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> Very Interesting,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> Thanks
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> Ollie
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steven
> >>>> Charette"
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> To: <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010
> 9:22 AM
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> Subject: RE: 273 Rebuild /
> moth balls in gas
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> Jake,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> Excellent information,
> thanks!
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> SC
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> From: Doug Jacobsma [mailto:big_jake57@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010
> 9:56 AM
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> Subject: RE: 273 Rebuild /
> moth balls in gas
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> The subject of moth balls in
> gas has come up
> >>>> on a Harley board I
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> frequent,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> as we are always looking for
> better gas with
> >>>> those too. Seems there is a
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> chemical ingredient in moth
> balls that will
> >>>> enhance octane some, it was
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> indeed used by old time
> racers, but those who
> >>>> have tried it have found it
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> leaves a bit of residue
> behind, plus it has
> >>>> some other unwanted
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> characteristics.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> I've had pretty good luck with
> Lucas additive
> >>>> and a couple others that
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> list
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> jet fuel as the carrier. Says
> it's good as an
> >>>> upper lube also.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> Anyway, here's what we came up
> with as far as
> >>>> moth balls go:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> JUST SO YA KNOW !
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> There are two different types
> of moth balls -
> >>>> The older type is
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> composted of
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> Naphthalene and the newer type
> is composted of
> >>>> Paradichlorobenzene.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> Both types sublimate from a
> solid straight to
> >>>> a a gas- the gas is
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> toxic to
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> moths.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> The main threat is breathing
> the fumes, also
> >>>> may have camphor added as a
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> insect repellent. They also
> used to clean the
> >>>> pipes on wood burning
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> stoves.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> Dangers are:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> Inhaling concentrated fumes
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> ingesting or eating them -
> HIGHLY TOXIC!
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> Solvent abuse by kids
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> Carcinogen
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> Forms a bond with soil that
> will kill
> >>>> beneficial soil insects.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> It has been proven plausible
> that adding moth
> >>>> balls to a fuel tank will
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> improve HP.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> Listed by the EPA and other
> Government sources
> >>>> as a pesticide
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> 7.5 million lbs. used as pest
> control yearly
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> 369 million lbs. used by the
> Dept. of Defense
> >>>> yearly
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> 1.84 billion lbs. used by US
> jet market
> >>>> yearly
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> Toxic level 2 - for inhaling
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> Toxic level 3 - for contact to
> skin and eyes
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> Inhalation causes dizziness -
> vomiting -
> >>>> nausea - headaches -
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> shortness of
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> breath - coughing - burning
> eyes
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> Naphthalene can also kill red
> blood cells
> >>>> causing hemolytic anemia and is
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> also linked to nasal cancer.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> Moth
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> crystals are made from
> Paradichlorobenzene
> >>>> (PDB) which is more toxic than
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> Naphthalene. Prolonged
> exposure on plastics
> >>>> may melt them.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> PDB is a suspected carcinogen
> causing cancer.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> Repeated inhalation can be
> fatal - especially
> >>>> for children,elderly
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> people,pets, and indirectly
> for fetuses.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> TO SUM IT UP
> Paradichlorobenzene:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> Possible effects: vapor
> irritates skin,eyes
> >>>> and respiratory tract,large
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> doses can cause injury to
> liver,suspected
> >>>> carcinogen.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> Naphthalene
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> damages liver,prolonged vapor
> exposure has led
> >>>> to cataract formation.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> Think I'll stick to the stuff
> in a bottle!
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> Jake
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> '63 Sport Fury 'vert
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>> To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>> From: bbjt3@xxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: 273 Rebuild
> status and how
> >>>> much compression we can run on
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>> pump gas w
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010
> 03:17:39 -0800
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I remember when I was a
> kid that my dad
> >>>> used to add moth balls to his
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> gasoline for his circle track
> racer in the
> >>>> 40's and 50's.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I don't know what the
> ratio was but he won
> >>>> a lot of races.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Later
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Bill Harrison
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>
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