RE: Exterior and Underside paint colors

[Doug Daniel <dougdaniel50@xxxxxxxxx>]

pretty  much all anyone would need too know very good read  ,,,thanks 

--- On Mon, 11/30/09, Butch Edison <waedison@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> From: Butch Edison <waedison@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: RE: Exterior and Underside paint colors
> To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Monday, November 30, 2009, 4:04 PM
> 
> I really appreciate all the feedback I've gotten on this
> subject. Thank you all/Butch
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Watson [mailto:wwatson6@xxxxxxx]
> 
> Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 10:32 PM
> To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Exterior and Underside paint colors
> 
> 
> Chrysler went to enamel in 1939 (Plymouth switched in 1935,
> trucks earlier 
> than that and LosAngeles for 1940) and Chrysler of Canada
> in 1946.   So your 
> 1964 Plymouth was done in acrylic
> enamel.   Some years of Imperial were done 
> in lacquer in the late 1950's and into the 1960's.
> 
> Touch ups and partial panel repairs were generally done in
> lacquer as 
> lacquer is softer and takes longer to harden.  Thus it
> can be sanded to 
> eliminate minor errors in painting and still polish to a
> shine. As it is 
> also slightly opaque, multiple thin layers of colour will
> give the final 
> paint job depth, something that cannot be done with
> enamel.  Acryclic 
> enamels use air to harden, so as soon as the paint leave
> the nozzle it is 
> hardening which also makes it almost impossible to sand out
> errors.  Factory 
> enamel jobs were generally one shot deals.
> 
> Today's cars are done in two layers - colour topped by a
> clear coat.  The 
> colour coat has no shine to it and relies on the clear coat
> to supply that. 
> Also, the clear coat does have a slight tint to it so the
> final result will 
> not be quite what the bare colour shows.
> 
> Single shot jobs are now done with urethane which produces
> a shine just as 
> enamel does - no top coat and no sanding or buffing
> needed.  However, it 
> does dry with a wet look, in other words a shine that is
> shinier than back 
> in 1964.
> 
> The body colour was applied to the roof, top, and sides of
> the body as well 
> as the floor, cowl, under hood lid, underhood and trunk
> fenders, trunk 
> walls, trunk floors, and trunk lid.  So, no black
> firewalls, cowls, etc. on 
> Chryler Corporation vehicles in any
> year.   (Well, okay, there are a couple 
> of exceptions around 1970).   Lighter
> coloured cars may have had the 
> radiator crossmember painted a flat black and some plants
> painted the trunk 
> floor with a spatter paint.   The Windsor
> plant generally did neither - cost 
> money for something most owenrs wouldn't notice or care
> about.
> 
> You would find overspray in the wheelwells and anywhere
> else the painter 
> overshot.  The factory did not worry about paint
> overspray on areas that the 
> owner could not see while standing beside the car. 
> The undercarriage was 
> not painted but did receive a grey colour coating to help
> prevent build up 
> of rust.
> 
> Two tones were done by masking off the areas that were to
> be done.  You 
> would find overspray in door jambs, hood and trunk
> openings,  and, if the 
> lower section of the body was to be done, door
> sills.   If it looked good 
> with everything closed, great.  Bit of overspray with
> a door open - no big 
> deal.  Remember, too, bodies were painted right after
> the bodies were welded 
> together and doors and lids hung.  No trim, no glass,
> no power train, no 
> grilles or lights, no electrical pieces, no instrument
> panel or any interior 
> trim.
> 
> Bill
> Vancouver, BC
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Butch Edison" <waedison@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: "'Stevan Miner'" <miner@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 10:38 AM
> Subject: Exterior and Underside paint colors
> 
> 
> >
> > My 64 red Sport Fury is going to get full body and
> paint this winter. I 
> > bought the car a couple of years ago after one of our
> forum members, Steve 
> > Miner, was kind enough to inspect the car for me.
> Thanks Steve.
> >
> > The body/paint guy I'll be using is an expert, but not
> necessarily in 
> > Mopars. He'll be painting the exterior in the original
> Ruby Red color, but 
> > he says I have some choices as far as the type of
> paint he'll use. Rather 
> > than miscommunicate what he told me, I'd sure
> appreciate hearing from you 
> > as to what my paint choices are and why you'd pick one
> type of paint over 
> > another.
> >
> > Also, the underside of the car has undercoating on it.
> It looks like the 
> > base metal is painted a dull red. Can anyone tell me
> what it should look 
> > like without the undercoating? Was the complete
> underbody painted red? 
> > Same red as the exterior? Were the areas where
> overspray would show up, 
> > things like that?
> >
> > No where better to ask questions like this than right
> here.
> >
> > Thanks everyone. /Butch/ Ferndale, WA
> >
> >
> 
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