Re: stall or high stall torque converters (RE: stall convertor)

[Schuyler Wrobel <sky62@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

hey Don,
just like chapter 5 in your book 'Old Reliable', that was just  
beautifully written, and well said!
I'm smiling, like I was in the car with you. (o:

thanks for that,
Schuyler

Schuyler 62 Dodge Dart 440 wagon w/ Poly 318
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FYI - I Do the Decal designs for the Poly head 318 and more! email me  
with your needs -
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On Jan 20, 2009, at 9:02 AM, Gary H. wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I am posting this message for Don Dulmage, who is having e-mail  
> issues.
>
> Thanks,
> Gary H.
>
> ==============================================
>
> Every engine has a power band, a sweet spot or an area it runs best  
> in. When we design or build a car we want our engine to always be  
> in that sweet spot. If we are below the sweet spot or power band  
> the engine will bog or labour when we pull away.We don't want that  
> because the engine is not efficient there nor is it fun to drive.  
> Say we have a stock engine, a 318 for instance. Let us say just for  
> the sake of argument its power band is 1200 to 4200 RPM . Anywhere  
> in the band it runs well. Below it labours and above is not good at  
> all. This engine would need a converter stall of AT LEAST 1200RPM  
> and would need gearing so it could hit 120 mph at 4200rpm if we  
> expect it to be a normal driving car. If we gave it a bit more  
> stall speed it would pull away a bit quicker  but it can live with  
> 1200 stall. If we take say my 426 wedge with its 525 hyd cam and  
> 1100 RPM idle in neutral. We know it will have no power at1200 rpm.  
> It almost needs 1100RPM just to idle. If we put in in front of the  
> 1200 converter above and put it in gear it would probably not be  
> able to sustain an idle and would quit. If we try to drive it it  
> will have to go from the 1200 farting and kicking all the way till  
> it reaches the bottom of its power band somewhere around 3000 RPM.  
> The top of its power band is right around  6150 RPM so we gear for  
> 6150 at 120 mph.
> Just to be able to drive this vehicle we will need a stall of  
> 3000RPM so when the car is stopped at a stop light it can reach up  
> into its power band before it has to pull the car away. Once it is  
> rolling it is much easier to move then the converter will lose its  
> stall and become relatively locked up. The speed at which this  
> happens is coupling speed. We will be able to let it idle along at  
> 1100 rpm and it will drive the car and allow this engine with its  
> big cam to idle. Since we know that we might meet a Camaro or  
> Mustang along the way we are not happy with just being able to  
> drive it. We know that even though the engine's power band starts  
> at 3000 it has say only 220 hp there. By 3800 it has 335 hp so we  
> pop in a 3800 stall converter (From Frank Lupos Dynamc Converters  
> of course)  This gives a a car that will sit at the stop light  
> raggedly idling away at almost 1000 rpm (converter pulls it down a  
> bit.) and when the light changes we pull away niceley with no  
> trouble. HOWEVER! If we pull up to the light a Joe Mustang is  
> sitting beside jacked up on his converter  with that smart ass  
> sneer on his face we can push the brake pedal a bit harder and lean  
> into the throttle . If we hold the brake hard enough we can push  
> the engne to almost the full 3800 RPM and still be at the stop  
> light. We now have available on the release of the brake the same  
> hp as his sick little pony has on its very best day at its top RPM.  
> Come with me now as we finish the story.The car is protesting under  
> the strain. The light goes green and we lift the brake , The front  
> end rises as the car leaps forward. My wife is screaming from the  
> passenger seat shouting "I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU HAVE TO DO THAT! IT  
> HURTS MY NECK!!!!!!" I pretend not to notice. My neck is just fine!  
> The tach hits 6100 and I push the pushbutton marked 2nd. The shift  
> is firm and hard.(I feel sorry as I see Linda's head snap back and  
> forth. ("Hang in there baby!" I think." This wont be much  
> longer!")  I glance in the mirror to make sure the back window  
> didn't fall out on t!
>  he shift
> . Speed builds at an incredible rate and you can now hear the wind  
> going by the car . Once again the tach reaches for the 6100 mark  
> and I push D (for drag)  The shift is a bit different but definite.  
> I check the mirror. No Mustang or anything else in sight. By now my  
> wife is pounding my arm hollering "The're gonna put you in prison  
> one day!!!!" Satisfied all is well I lift. The car drops back down  
> on its suspension and eventually returns to normal speed . I idle  
> along about 30 mph .Just another old grey-haired man out for a  
> Sunday drive in his old car. I become in an instant the poster boy  
> for innocence. I turn to Linda and answer her first question softly  
> with an evil grin "Because I can!" She shakes her head and wipes  
> her brow. That my son is the stall converter story.
> When you settle down phone Frank and order one. Whatever he says  
> you should have. Sometimes if you tell him Don sent you it saves  
> you money so I have been told.
> Don D
>
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