Don, I like the idea on the pipe puller! That should solve the removal problem, I found that Lakewood now has an expandable pins in .500 for fords and .496 for Mopars, so that should help in the fit in the block. I have all of them ordered and should be at my house when I get home this Friday. The stock (straight) Mopar ones aren't long enough to get through the block plate and bell housing.? I will be back under this project this weekend and maybe making some progress, preasure is on, daughters are going to move the mother in law to an apartment and car currently lives with her so I gotta get this mess corrected and find it a home. We may build a small shop at our house for it. Anyway thanks for the help. John Althaus 64 Savoy Hemi 4 Spd -----Original Message----- From: Don Dulmage <big-d@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx Sent: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 8:31 am Subject: dowel pins Drill the dowel pin through and tap it . the theread on a bolt and use that to pull it out. Either with a slam type pulller, a large chain (works great!) or by placing washers or asmall pipe over the dowel and tightening the bolt which will force against the sacers and pull the dwel out. just personally oI would chuck the exptic fancy stuff and pop in a set of stock dowel pins. I am beeting they would be fine. BTW it is unlikely to have one stock and one offset and have it right. Author of It was very well put when you said i kicked over a can of worms. When we complicate simple things that aren comlicated this is the result. I know John you did NOT do this, you are only solving it so the flying finger of fickle fate goes to whoever did this in the first place. The number of engines whose dowel pins are out so much as to cause trouble would be about 2.5 per million engines i think (if that.) After 40 years swinging wrenches professionally and twenty of that running a shop that specialized in solving the unsolvable i can say with a strong loud voice this is just not something you run into much if ever. Anyway. I wish you the best and hope this helps remove the dowel pins. I owe you i feel for the help you gave me last year Don Return to Deutschland (True Adventure) Old Reliable (Mopar) http://altonapublicschool.faithweb.com/ http://seniordragster.bravehost.com/index.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---- Please address private mail -- mail of interest to only one person -- directly to that person. I.e., send parts/car transactions and negotiations as well as other personal messages only to the intended recipient, not to the Clubhouse public address. This practice will protect your privacy, reduce the total volume of mail and fine tune the content signal to Mopar topic. Thanks! '62 to '65 Mopar Clubhouse Discussion Guidelines: http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.org/mletiq.html. ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---- Please address private mail -- mail of interest to only one person -- directly to that person. I.e., send parts/car transactions and negotiations as well as other personal messages only to the intended recipient, not to the Clubhouse public address. This practice will protect your privacy, reduce the total volume of mail and fine tune the content signal to Mopar topic. Thanks! '62 to '65 Mopar Clubhouse Discussion Guidelines: http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.org/mletiq.html.