well i figured it out in a roundabout way, the drum was totally destroyed anyway so i just set to work with a cut off wheel, and basically and carefully cut the drum away from the hub, , once i relieved the tension in the drum it seperated from the hub easy enuf, then with a big hammmer and a big punch i got the studs out of the hub. what was so funny is that the other side just came apart simple. these front brakes were just run too long, the drums were totally destroyed, and i am replacing the studs too. I lucked out because i had a set of rear drums from a 67 coronet and they are exactly the same as the front drums from a 65 coronet,imagine that neal zimmerman, eugene oregon ---- Please address private mail -- mail of interest to only one person -- directly to that person. I.e., send parts/car transactions and negotiations as well as other personal messages only to the intended recipient, not to the Clubhouse public address. This practice will protect your privacy, reduce the total volume of mail and fine tune the content signal to Mopar topic. Thanks! '62 to '65 Mopar Clubhouse Discussion Guidelines:http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.org/mletiq.html.