Allen, I had a problem with my '72 Road Runner that sounds like it was almost the same thing. I had a fairly wide drag loop installed (in place when I bought the car), and due to tired motor mounts and a partially broken trans mount allowed the drive shaft to come in contact with the top inside mounting point. This only happened occasionally (seemed to mostly appear when my wife drove by herself.. :) ) Due to where it was rubbing made it difficult to visually identify. Only had the problem when there was a load on the drive train (i.e. not in neutral). Robyn Wood '64 NY Wagon 4x2 -----Original Message----- From: Allen Sullivant [mailto:dart440@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 8:56 AM To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx Subject: Diagnostic Help Requested from Good Ears... Gents (and Gals), I'm in need of some diagnostic help on a noise my Dart is making. When in reverse, and to a lesser degree in a forward gears, the old gal has taken to emitting a dry, rasping, rubbing noise, sort of a "scree -- scree -- scree". The higher the speed in reverse, the faster to noise. It's been doing this a while now, and just today has been joined by a clattering noise (similar to rocks in a wheel cover or holding a twig in the fan blades with the engine running) when coasting/slowing to a stop. The source of the noise is really hard to pin down. Just from somewhere under the car. The brakes feel fine. Tranny fluid is good. No obvious leaks around wheel cylinders or of tranny fluid. Now, here's the interesting part: when I slip the car into neutral while still rolling backwards or forwards all the noises stop. I'm thinking this: U-joint. Opinions? Thanks, Allen Sullivant Brentwood, Tenn. 62 Dart 440 See-dan dart440@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ---- Please address private mail -- mail of interest to only one person -- directly to that person. I.e., send parts/car transactions and negotiations as well as other personal messages only to the intended recipient, not to the Clubhouse public address. This practice will protect your privacy, reduce the total volume of mail and fine tune the content signal to Mopar topic. Thanks! '62 to '65 Mopar Clubhouse Discussion Guidelines: http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.org/mletiq.html. ---- Please address private mail -- mail of interest to only one person -- directly to that person. I.e., send parts/car transactions and negotiations as well as other personal messages only to the intended recipient, not to the Clubhouse public address. This practice will protect your privacy, reduce the total volume of mail and fine tune the content signal to Mopar topic. Thanks! '62 to '65 Mopar Clubhouse Discussion Guidelines: http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.org/mletiq.html. b7yoMz.