The number on the radiator support is the Shipping Order Number, plus the assembly plant and model year. The SON was also stamped on the data tag. The VIN was stamped on a plate attached to the driver's door hinge post - and that is the ONLY place the VIN appears on pre-1968 Mopar unibody cars. The VIN was not stamped on the engine, transmission, rear parcel shelf, trunk opening edge, firewall, etc. until 1968. And the VIN did not appear on the data plate until 1969. So, on your 1965 the only numbers you can compare are the numbers on the radiator support and the SON on the data tag. Bill Vancouver, BC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert neal zimmerman" <northwestweirdo@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 11:07 PM Subject: hidden vin numbers Does any body know where the hidden vin numbers on a 65 Plymouth Barracuda might be. I think I got ripped off. The guy I bought it from in Washington state had to set up some sort of abandoned vehicle or salvage title or some such thing. There is no vin tag on the door pillar,it has been removed. But he CLAIMS he went to the Washington Department of Licensing and presented me with this new title that they did from the hidden VIN numbers. Well I found the hidden VIN under the radiator core support decal and the one on this new title are nowhere close. Supposedly sometimes they are on package shelfs too but a 65 Cuda has no package shelf.Good thing I have two of these cars because this one might just be getting cut into parts. I am so emberassed. P.S. Yes I have already considered the radiator core support could have been changed due to an accident or something but it looks factory and no signs of swapping to look at. I need another number to look at and compare to this title. Neal Zimmerman, Eugene Oregon ---- Please address private mail -- mail of interest to only one person -- directly to that person. I.e., send parts/car transactions and negotiations as well as other personal messages only to the intended recipient, not to the Clubhouse public address. This practice will protect your privacy, reduce the total volume of mail and fine tune the content signal to Mopar topic. Thanks! '62 to '65 Mopar Clubhouse Discussion Guidelines: http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.org/mletiq.html. b7yoMz.