Re: Offering help

["Donnie Schanz Jr" <dcs426@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

With all that said, I beleive that each member would be responsible to 
research any advise given to them before attempting it. Lets take Gary's 
cinder block story. Cinder blocks hold up your house, which weighs 10x min 
of what your car weighs. If you stack the block the wrong way, it has no 
strength at all. If you stack it correctly, it will hold 10 cars. That is 
something you need to research before doing.
There also is no way there could be legal responsibilty held against any 
member for offering advise. There could be no way to prove that person1 
performed the action told to him by person2 the exact way it was stated. It 
is hard enough to prove this if your mechanic performs something wrong on 
your car in person. The fact that you have guys giving advise that have no 
place or not enough expierence to do so, is where the rest of us should pop 
in and state so. Toes were made to be stepped on. Not one member should let 
someone give advise that they know is incorrect. Feelings get hurt, people 
get angry, and so on, but we are adults and we get over it. If someone 
really wants to know how to do something to their car, they should wait for 
many responses and see if more then one member says the same way.

I belong to the Buick Turbo car forum with over 20,000 members. I can 
honestly say there are about 25 members who give advise that everyone 
follows without question. Overtime these members were made Moderators in 
certain areas. Engines, turbos, trannys, suspensions, brakes, and so on. 
Their word is GOD to new members who need help.When you get members like 
this on your forum, you need to find a way to get them involved and refer 
the other member to them for the correct advise. We do not have that ability 
because we are an e-mail based group. Gary would have to set up a page with 
e-mail addresses on the sight itself with each members speciality. Then if 
you had a question on suspension, you know who to ask. Then you know your 
members are coverd and getting good ,accurate, and proven methods to do it 
themselves or have it done by a professional.

I also believe you do not learn without failure and this is a learning 
hobby. When you pop 3 sets of headgaskets in one summer after putting on a 
bigger turbo, is it the fault of the guy who told you that it was a good 
turbo to get, or the fact that you didnt research and get all the correct 
parts to go with it, to make it work correctly? My friend did this last 
summer. Well now, he can properly tell you the correct way to change 
headgaskets without pulling the motor and he can also tell you the 
supporting items neede to put on a larger turbo. He learned the hard way, 
but he didnt do any research after buying it, and he also di not ask the 
proper questions to the proper people.

Does this make sense to everyone? Dodger brought up a good point. This 
subject needs to be addressed once a year or so for new members.

Thanks
Donnie

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gary H." <62to65mopar@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2011 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: Offering help


Thanks. Certainly a person who has rebuilt 50 engines thinks that type of 
work is easy compared to some other person who never did that type of work. 
Generally, we all take friendly advice with a sense of give-and-take. That 
is, if someone says to do X and I don't understand what they mean I don't 
hesitate to ask for further explanation. Also, I believe that type of 
give-and-take completely applies to a mail list or Web base discussion 
board. There is also the self-correcting feedback function in a public group 
discussion where if someone makes a statement that is incorrect or subject 
to misinterpretation, then it is highly likely that others will chime in to 
clarify that statement.

There are two Web links at the bottom of each email sent to members of the 
'62 - '65 Mail List that you agree to follow as a member of this group: 1) 
the 1962 to 1965 Mopar Clubhouse Discussion Guidelines details the mail list 
discussion guidelines and 2) the General Disclaimer that, in brief, reminds 
us that we are here at our own will and are intelligent individuals who 
understand that any technical advice or directions are provided AS IS and 
are provided without warranty or any guarantee of accuracy. That is, "You 
perform any maintenance or modification to your automobile AT YOUR OWN 
RISK."

As an analogy, many many years ago a fellow shade tree mechanic told me to 
use cinder blocks (also known as breeze blocks) to hold up a car when 
working on the car with the wheels off. That sounded okay in theory. Then I 
dropped one of the cinder blocks and saw how quickly that cinder block broke 
into chunks! No way Jose! Never use cinder blocks to hold up a car! I bought 
some very heavy duty jack stands to use instead. So, it's okay to take 
advice but always use your own common sense and intelligence to analyze that 
advice.

Thanks,
Gary H.


>  -------Original Message------- 
....>  No I am not saying not to give advise, but please  do not try to arm
>  the mechanically challenged without at least making sure that  they know
>  where the safety on the gun is before telling them where  to look for the
>  gun,,,,,,

>  Gary, next question is for you,,,,,,,,,,, is there any legal liability 
> in
>  telling someone how to do a repair, and it ends up all wrong, and there 
> is
>  property or physical damage caused by it??????

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