Re: Mopar master cylinders - preference?
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Re: Mopar master cylinders - preference?
This is a subject that has been debated for some time , with "experts" and car magazines on both sides. Pro's and con's to Dot 3-4 and silicone. I am a silicone fan , both for cars and implants 8-) But I do realize there can be problems in certain circumstances. Many due to user un-knowing error. I use it- never a problem and appreciate the benefits for the past 7 years And will use it on my current project- Big disc front and big rear drums............MO 

{Steve Mick}
http://stevemick1964dodge.shutterfly.com/pictures/5
----- Original Message ----- From: "William Spore" <w.spore@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
To: <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 4:40 PM
Subject: Re: Mopar master cylinders - preference?
Years ago I used silicone brake fliud in my street rod ('23 t-bucket with 340, 727) drum rear and discs up front. I had a bad experience with it. I started out with dot 3 fliud then I changed to silicone brake fliud because it wouldn't eat paint. I drove it a short distance, less than 25 mi., and the front calipers started dragging severely. By the time I got it back home I could roll up to a stop sign and stop without applying the brakes! It seems that the silicone fliud expands as it gets warmer. The front pads gently "float" on the rotors but it developed enough heat to expand the fluid and the calipers and push the pads out against the rotors. I drained the system and went back to dot 3 and never had anymore trouble. About a month or two later an article came out in one of the street rod mags and it warned of the same thing about silicone. A brake componet manufacturer mentioned in the article said that silicone brake fluid did not belong in automotive brake systems. (It is sometimes used in commerical applications such as fork lifts.) Now having said that, that was several years ago so maybe they have changed or improved the silicone fluid to avoid this problem. Anyone else ever have that problem? Bill 

----- Original Message -----
From: "MO ( Steve Mick)" <micher@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tuesday, February 8, 2011 15:07
Subject: Re: Mopar master cylinders - preference?
To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx



I was just going back thru some old posts I had saved and
thought I would
pass along some info that makes sense: Dot 5 is not recommended
for cars
that hace anti- lock brakeing system , as the rapid movement of
the brake
fluid causes foaming in it. Just a FYI...................MO
{Steve Mick}
http://stevemick1964dodge.shutterfly.com/pictures/5
----- Original Message ----- From: "ron nieminen" <reniemin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
To: <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 12:01 AM
Subject: Re: Mopar master cylinders - preference?


>
> I have a 63 Polora with a 69 Coronet manual disc/ drum master
cyl and A
> body front disk brakes.     I used dot 5
fluid when I put it together 8
> years ago, no problems.    Everything was new
when put it together.    I
> live in western Oregon so there is plenty of moisture in the air.
> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MO ( Steve Mick)" <micher@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
> To: <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 11:26 AM
> Subject: Re: Mopar master cylinders - preference?
>
>
>>
>> Gary, in that case I would go with manufactures
recommendation.  My car
>> is a 56 Chrysler with stock drum brakes.  Now I am
wondering if I should
>> use silicone with my Dodge Ram 1500 disc brake
calipers.  They will be
>> used on my 64 Dodge project.  Anyone have first hand
experience with
>> silicone Dot 5 brake fluid in disc brake
>> calipers?(new).......................MO
>> {Steve Mick}
>> http://stevemick.shutterfly.com/pictures#Part%202
>> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Gary Pavlovich" <glpavlovich@xxxxxxx> 
>> To: <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 9:31 AM
>> Subject: Re: Mopar master cylinders - preference?
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Steve,
>>>
>>> Yes, I followed the lengthy discussions re: synthetic vs.
DOT 3 & 4
>>> non-synthetic fluids.  Master Power Brake does not
warranty their system
>>> if one uses a silicone/synthetic brake fluid; they claim it
can swell
>>> the seals in the calipers.
>>>
>>> Gary
>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "MO ( Steve Mick)" <micher@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
>>> To: <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 10:29 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Mopar master cylinders - preference?
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Gary, this will probably stir up a debate, but this is what
I have done
>>>> and 6 years experience has  been trouble free ---
except for the fluid
>>>> pressure switches as used on early Mopars.  For some
reason they are
>>>> short lived.  If you have installed all new wheel
cylinders and all new
>>>> brake lines and M/C , use DOT 5 silicone brake fluid. It
does not get
>>>> the outside of your M/C rusty and wet- does not destroy its
finish if
>>>> painted. , does not harm paint if spilled.   I do
not believe for a
>>>> second that it "draws moisture " and that collects in the
lines.
>>>> J.M.O......................MO
>>>> {Steve Mick}
>>>> http://stevemick.shutterfly.com/pictures#Part%202
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Gary Pavlovich" <glpavlovich@xxxxxxx> 
>>>> To: <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 11:29 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: Mopar master cylinders - preference?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you Stan, Rich, and Mark for your input thus far.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, your experience on the piston diameter harmonizes
with the
>>>>> information I have read re: master cylinder
selection.  The smaller
>>>>> piston bore in the MC requires less pedal effort and more
pedal travel
>>>>> than the larger 1 1/8"...MC piston bores.  The 1"
bore MC should be
>>>>> used with the drum/drum and disc/drum manual setups and is
recommended
>>>>> with the manual disc/disc setups because excessive pedal
pressure is
>>>>> required if a large bore MC is used.  The larger bore
is suited for
>>>>> power assist disc/drum and disc/disc if I remember correctly.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not sure if the 1.032" bore billet aluminum Mopar Master
Cylinder
>>>>> requires nearly the same "reasonable" pedal pressure as
the 1" bore
>>>>> cast iron; I like the plastic resevoir and caps for
filling and
>>>>> checking the fluid levels as opposed to the cast iron MC
with metal
>>>>> bar and one-piece metal cap - too much chance to spill
fluid I think
>>>>> as well as residual fluid dripping down the sides of MC
eating the
>>>>> painted MC surface.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any more information specifically on the billet alum. vs.
the cast
>>>>> iron MC's?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks again,
>>>>> Gary
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: <chymar01@xxxxxxxxxxx> 
>>>>> To: <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 7:39 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: Mopar master cylinders - preference?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not sure this will be helpful or not, but I used a 1
1/8"
>>>>>> master(aluminum 2-bolt listed for a '79 Dodge pickup from
the local
>>>>>> store for 20 bucks) on my '69 Coronet with a MagnumHP
adapter and I
>>>>>> have to practically stand on the pedal to stop it.
>>>>>> When I did my '64 Polara 'vert, I used one with a 1"
bore(listed as
>>>>>> '81 Mirada also from the local store for 20 bucks) and
the same
>>>>>> adapter and it stops very well with much less effort.
>>>>>> I'll be switching the one on the Coronet when I get a
chance to the
>>>>>> smaller one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Gary Pavlovich" <glpavlovich@xxxxxxx> 
>>>>>> To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 10:00:00 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Mopar master cylinders - preference?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hope everyone had a wonderful Christmas.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is time for me to select a Mopar master cylinder for
my four-wheel
>>>>>> manual disc brake Plymouth. I know staying with a 1"
diameter MC
>>>>>> piston will reduce the effort needed on the pedal to
actuate the
>>>>>> manual system but does anyone have
exeperience/suggestions as to
>>>>>> which Master Cylinder is preferred - the Mopar 1 1/16"
billet
>>>>>> aluminum from the Diff Doctor ($100 with adapter) or the
Mopar cast
>>>>>> iron unit sold by Master Power Brake ($89)?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The plastic caps on the billet alum. one seem like less
chance of
>>>>>> spilling the caustic brake fluid as opposed to the swing
over bar on
>>>>>> the cast iron unit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let me know from your experience...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>> Gary Pavlovich
>>>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---- >>>>>> Please address private mail -- mail of interest to only 
one person --
>>>>>> directly to that person. I.e., send parts/car
transactions and
>>>>>> negotiations as well as other personal messages only to
the intended
>>>>>> recipient, not to the Clubhouse public address. This
practice will
>>>>>> protect your privacy, reduce the total volume of mail and
fine tune
>>>>>> the content signal to Mopar topic. Thanks!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1962 to 1965 Mopar Clubhouse Discussion Guidelines:
>>>>>> http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.org/mletiq.html and
>>>>>> http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.com/general_disclaimer.html.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----
>>>>>> Please address private mail -- mail of interest to only
one person --
>>>>>> directly to that person.  I.e., send parts/car
transactions and
>>>>>> negotiations as well as other personal messages only to
the intended
>>>>>> recipient, not to the Clubhouse public address. This
practice will
>>>>>> protect your privacy, reduce the total volume of mail and
fine tune
>>>>>> the content signal to Mopar topic.  Thanks!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1962 to 1965 Mopar Clubhouse Discussion Guidelines:
>>>>>> http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.org/mletiq.html and
>>>>>> http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.com/general_disclaimer.html.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----
>>>>> Please address private mail -- mail of interest to only
one person --
>>>>> directly to that person.  I.e., send parts/car
transactions and
>>>>> negotiations as well as other personal messages only to
the intended
>>>>> recipient, not to the Clubhouse public address. This
practice will
>>>>> protect your privacy, reduce the total volume of mail and
fine tune
>>>>> the content signal to Mopar topic.  Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> 1962 to 1965 Mopar Clubhouse Discussion Guidelines:
>>>>> http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.org/mletiq.html and
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----
>>>> Please address private mail -- mail of interest to only one
person --
>>>> directly to that person.  I.e., send parts/car
transactions and
>>>> negotiations as well as other personal messages only to the
intended
>>>> recipient, not to the Clubhouse public address. This
practice will
>>>> protect your privacy, reduce the total volume of mail and
fine tune the
>>>> content signal to Mopar topic.  Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> 1962 to 1965 Mopar Clubhouse Discussion Guidelines:
>>>> http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.org/mletiq.html and
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----
>>> Please address private mail -- mail of interest to only one
person --
>>> directly to that person.  I.e., send parts/car
transactions and
>>> negotiations as well as other personal messages only to the
intended
>>> recipient, not to the Clubhouse public address. This
practice will
>>> protect your privacy, reduce the total volume of mail and
fine tune the
>>> content signal to Mopar topic.  Thanks!
>>>
>>> 1962 to 1965 Mopar Clubhouse Discussion Guidelines:
>>> http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.org/mletiq.html and
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> ----
>> Please address private mail -- mail of interest to only one
person --
>> directly to that person.  I.e., send parts/car
transactions and
>> negotiations as well as other personal messages only to the
intended
>> recipient, not to the Clubhouse public address. This practice
will
>> protect your privacy, reduce the total volume of mail and
fine tune the
>> content signal to Mopar topic.  Thanks!
>>
>> 1962 to 1965 Mopar Clubhouse Discussion Guidelines:
>> http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.org/mletiq.html and
>>
>>
>
>
> ----
> Please address private mail -- mail of interest to only one
person --
> directly to that person.  I.e., send parts/car
transactions and
> negotiations as well as other personal messages only to the
intended
> recipient, not to the Clubhouse public address. This practice
will protect
> your privacy, reduce the total volume of mail and fine tune
the content
> signal to Mopar topic.  Thanks!
>
> 1962 to 1965 Mopar Clubhouse Discussion Guidelines:
> http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.org/mletiq.html and
>
>
>


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Please address private mail -- mail of interest to only one
person -- directly to that person.  I.e., send parts/car
transactions and negotiations as well as other personal messages
only to the intended recipient, not to the Clubhouse public
address. This practice will protect your privacy, reduce the
total volume of mail and fine tune the content signal to Mopar
topic.  Thanks!

1962 to 1965 Mopar Clubhouse Discussion Guidelines:
http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.org/mletiq.html and
http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.com/general_disclaimer.html.
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Please address private mail -- mail of interest to only one person -- directly to that person. I.e., send parts/car transactions and negotiations as well as other personal messages only to the intended recipient, not to the Clubhouse public address. This practice will protect your privacy, reduce the total volume of mail and fine tune the content signal to Mopar topic. Thanks! 

1962 to 1965 Mopar Clubhouse Discussion Guidelines:
http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.org/mletiq.html and http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.com/general_disclaimer.html. 






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Please address private mail -- mail of interest to only one person -- directly to that person.  I.e., send parts/car transactions and negotiations as well as other personal messages only to the intended recipient, not to the Clubhouse public address. This practice will protect your privacy, reduce the total volume of mail and fine tune the content signal to Mopar topic.  Thanks!

1962 to 1965 Mopar Clubhouse Discussion Guidelines:
http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.org/mletiq.html and http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.com/general_disclaimer.html.
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