Re: 727 mopar/amc

[Ollie <satellite1965@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Bill,
Very interesting post. Learned allot.
I am on the correct track put I did pass out some incorrect info in my post. 
I called my Borg Warner a M-35 and you are correct it is a T-35. I have been 
told that the easiest way to identify is check for the aluminum case. Was 
this the only aluminum case in the era?
Another question for ya...will a 904 bolt up in place of the T-35?
Another question...Can you fill in the years? What was the last year that 
AMC made a car? I know that my 1966 was the last year that they used the 
word Rambler on them. I know the car line was dropped before Chrysler bought 
out the Jeep line. What year was that?
I hope I am not straying to far from our 62-65 mopar site rules here but it 
sure is neat rodder stuff.
Ollie

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Watson" <chrycoman@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 12:01 AM
Subject: Re: 727 mopar/amc


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I am using gmail which seems to be losing a few emails.  I cannot find
the email(s) prior to this one so I have no idea what went on before.

Anyway, AMC never built their own automatics.  The same held true for
Studebaker, Hudson, Nash. Kaiser, and Willys, while Ford was late to
the game.

Only three auto manufacturers built their own automatics - General
Motors (Hydramatic 1940. Dynaflow 1948, Powerglide 1950), Packard
(Ultramatic 1949) and Chrysler (Powerflite 1953, Torqueflite 1956).
The only other manufacturer of automatic transmissions was Borg-Warner
(Detroit Gear for Studebaker 1950, Warner Gear for Ford 1951).

The 1951 Fordomatic and Mercomatic was used by Studebaker from 1956
and AMC from 1957.   This transmission was a 3-speed with Low (1st
gear) and Drive (2nd-3rd).  The 1957-62 AMC and 1957-58 Mercury
versions had push button controls.  The 1960 2-speed Fordomatic is not
the same transmission as the earlier 3-speed Fordomatic.

B-W came out with an aluminum case, the T-35, that was used by Ford,
AMC, Studebaker and a variety of British 4-cylinder models.  This
version had 1st gear start in Drive.  Another variation had 1-2-D on
the gear selector, again used by the same three companies.  Studebaker
stopped using B-W automatics when they stopped building cars in 1966
and AMC switched to Chrysler for 1972 using both the 904 and 727
Torqueflite units.

To my knowledge, AMC never used Ford-built units.

So, if you have a 1972-88 AMC with automatic you have a Torqueflite
unit behind the engine, with 1957-71 models using B-W units.  The
1955-56 models with Packard V8 engines used Packard's Ultramatic while
all other models used GM's Hydramatic.  The new issue of Hemmings has
an article on the 1956 Hudson Hornet Special and the author claims the
car has a B-W automatic.  Looking at the shift quadrant with its
choice of FOUR gears, the car actually has Hydramatic.

Bill
Toronto, ON


On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Ollie <satellite1965@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> William,
> AMC used Chrysler 727's, complete units, most common, next most common C-4 
> Ford, least common was Borg Warner. Mine has a Borg Warner M-35. Wish it 
> was a 727. They never built there own. At least in the 60-70's that I am 
> familiar with. And I might add, having fun learning more each day
> Ollie
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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directly to that person.  I.e., send parts/car transactions and negotiations 
as well as other personal messages only to the intended recipient, not to 
the Clubhouse public address. This practice will protect your privacy, 
reduce the total volume of mail and fine tune the content signal to Mopar 
topic.  Thanks!

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http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.org/mletiq.html and 
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