pretty much all anyone would need too know very good read ,,,thanks --- On Mon, 11/30/09, Butch Edison <waedison@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > From: Butch Edison <waedison@xxxxxxxxxxx> > Subject: RE: Exterior and Underside paint colors > To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx > Date: Monday, November 30, 2009, 4:04 PM > > I really appreciate all the feedback I've gotten on this > subject. Thank you all/Butch > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Watson [mailto:wwatson6@xxxxxxx] > > Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 10:32 PM > To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx > Subject: Re: Exterior and Underside paint colors > > > Chrysler went to enamel in 1939 (Plymouth switched in 1935, > trucks earlier > than that and LosAngeles for 1940) and Chrysler of Canada > in 1946. So your > 1964 Plymouth was done in acrylic > enamel. Some years of Imperial were done > in lacquer in the late 1950's and into the 1960's. > > Touch ups and partial panel repairs were generally done in > lacquer as > lacquer is softer and takes longer to harden. Thus it > can be sanded to > eliminate minor errors in painting and still polish to a > shine. As it is > also slightly opaque, multiple thin layers of colour will > give the final > paint job depth, something that cannot be done with > enamel. Acryclic > enamels use air to harden, so as soon as the paint leave > the nozzle it is > hardening which also makes it almost impossible to sand out > errors. Factory > enamel jobs were generally one shot deals. > > Today's cars are done in two layers - colour topped by a > clear coat. The > colour coat has no shine to it and relies on the clear coat > to supply that. > Also, the clear coat does have a slight tint to it so the > final result will > not be quite what the bare colour shows. > > Single shot jobs are now done with urethane which produces > a shine just as > enamel does - no top coat and no sanding or buffing > needed. However, it > does dry with a wet look, in other words a shine that is > shinier than back > in 1964. > > The body colour was applied to the roof, top, and sides of > the body as well > as the floor, cowl, under hood lid, underhood and trunk > fenders, trunk > walls, trunk floors, and trunk lid. So, no black > firewalls, cowls, etc. on > Chryler Corporation vehicles in any > year. (Well, okay, there are a couple > of exceptions around 1970). Lighter > coloured cars may have had the > radiator crossmember painted a flat black and some plants > painted the trunk > floor with a spatter paint. The Windsor > plant generally did neither - cost > money for something most owenrs wouldn't notice or care > about. > > You would find overspray in the wheelwells and anywhere > else the painter > overshot. The factory did not worry about paint > overspray on areas that the > owner could not see while standing beside the car. > The undercarriage was > not painted but did receive a grey colour coating to help > prevent build up > of rust. > > Two tones were done by masking off the areas that were to > be done. You > would find overspray in door jambs, hood and trunk > openings, and, if the > lower section of the body was to be done, door > sills. If it looked good > with everything closed, great. Bit of overspray with > a door open - no big > deal. Remember, too, bodies were painted right after > the bodies were welded > together and doors and lids hung. No trim, no glass, > no power train, no > grilles or lights, no electrical pieces, no instrument > panel or any interior > trim. > > Bill > Vancouver, BC > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Butch Edison" <waedison@xxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx> > Cc: "'Stevan Miner'" <miner@xxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 10:38 AM > Subject: Exterior and Underside paint colors > > > > > > My 64 red Sport Fury is going to get full body and > paint this winter. I > > bought the car a couple of years ago after one of our > forum members, Steve > > Miner, was kind enough to inspect the car for me. > Thanks Steve. > > > > The body/paint guy I'll be using is an expert, but not > necessarily in > > Mopars. He'll be painting the exterior in the original > Ruby Red color, but > > he says I have some choices as far as the type of > paint he'll use. Rather > > than miscommunicate what he told me, I'd sure > appreciate hearing from you > > as to what my paint choices are and why you'd pick one > type of paint over > > another. > > > > Also, the underside of the car has undercoating on it. > It looks like the > > base metal is painted a dull red. Can anyone tell me > what it should look > > like without the undercoating? Was the complete > underbody painted red? > > Same red as the exterior? Were the areas where > overspray would show up, > > things like that? > > > > No where better to ask questions like this than right > here. > > > > Thanks everyone. /Butch/ Ferndale, WA > > > > > > > ---- > Please address private mail -- mail of interest to only one > person -- directly to that person. I.e., send > parts/car transactions and negotiations as well as other > personal messages only to the intended recipient, not to the > Clubhouse public address. This practice will protect your > privacy, reduce the total volume of mail and fine tune the > content signal to Mopar topic. Thanks! > > '62 to '65 Mopar Clubhouse Discussion Guidelines: > http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.org/mletiq.html. > > > ---- > Please address private mail -- mail of interest to only one > person -- directly to that person. I.e., send > parts/car transactions and negotiations as well as other > personal messages only to the intended recipient, not to the > Clubhouse public address. This practice will protect your > privacy, reduce the total volume of mail and fine tune the > content signal to Mopar topic. Thanks! > > '62 to '65 Mopar Clubhouse Discussion Guidelines: > http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.org/mletiq.html. > > > >