RE: Polling on your best cooling experience; OEM copper radiators and cl

["Dennis C." <dennis.2914@xxxxxxxxx>]

Gary,

I have one more comment for you.  I had a stock radiator recored, 3-row 
radiator.  I had trouble keeping the enigne cool and after new water 
pump, electric fan (waste of money)high flow thermostat and shroud I 
finally bought a new radiator.

I went with U.S. Radiator and got their Cool Craft #042076 radiator.  It 
is not listed on their site but it is avaliable, It is a 22" for my 63 
SF with a 383.

Most of the time the car is in Yuma and temperatures to 115+ degrees are 
not uncommon.  This radiator is doing well for me without a shroud 
running the stock fan.

I went with this unit becuse it is a copper radiator and a quick look 
under the hood it looks completely stock. 

I believe it is a 4-row, I need to double check.  My concern with more 
rows is that the first row gets outside air temperture, the next row 
gets the warm air off of the first and so on.  As you get more rows the 
last rows do not do much cooling.  Also with tighter fins (that this one 
has) there is more air restriction.  I was concerned that the extra row 
and more fins would actually reduce air flow enough to be a problem.

U.S. Radiator said I would not have a problem and I didn't.  I called 
them because they are in Pheonix and have the same summer temperatures I 
have in Yuma. It was not cheap.  It cost me $539.50 delivered.

I had spent more money than that trying to get what I had working, I was 
just throwing money at the wall to see if it would stick!

I don't have the HP that you have, just a 383 with a cam and some head 
work.

I'll give you a call when I bring the car back to San Diego.

Dennis C.


Gary Pavlovich wrote:
> 
> Thanks to all who responded on the radiator questions..
> Gary
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Joey" <jake4@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 8:44 PM
> Subject: Re: Polling on your best cooling experience; OEM copper 
> radiators 
> and cl
> 
> 
> 
> Yeah, I know from previous experience. I am sorry your neighbor has to 
> go
> through that. I finally ended up with the Mancini unit only because they 
> try
> to make theirs look like a factory piece and it bolts in like stock, I
> realize it isn't rocket science to fabricate a mount for them but I am
> fanatical about the appearence of my car. I was at the track one night 
> in
> August a couple of years ago and forgot to turn my fans on and didn't
> realize it until I was at the top end of the track, I was almost afraid 
> to
> look at the temp gauge but was pleasently surprised to see the car only 
> hit
> 200 degrees, I couldn't believe it.!
> 
> Joey
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steven Charette" <stevec@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 9:47 PM
> Subject: RE: Polling on your best cooling experience; OEM copper 
> radiators
> and cl
> 
> 
> >
> > Joey and Gary,
> > I can attest to that.  Neighbor has a 65 Coronet with a mild 440 and
> > a BeCool crossflow two core radiator.  We live about 20 minutes from 
> > BeCool
> > - he drove up and bought this new as a cosmetic blem - was assured it 
> > would
> > be overkill to cool his mild 440.  He was never happy with it.
> >
> > SC
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Joey [mailto:jake4@xxxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 10:12 PM
> > To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: Polling on your best cooling experience; OEM copper 
> > radiators
> > and cl
> >
> >
> > BeKool is way overpriced for what you get, sometimes I think a stock
> > radiator works better than theirs.
> > Joey
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rich Kinsley" <rlkinsley@xxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 7:04 PM
> > Subject: RE: Polling on your best cooling experience; OEM copper 
> > radiators
> > and cl
> >
> >
> >
> > Gary, for my 2cents I was having alot of cooling issues with several 
> > stock
> > type radiators including one from a 383 A/C Barracuda. I'm sure part of 
> > my
> > problem was the state of tune. However I got a Summit crossflow radiator
> > #SUM-381425 for $189. I spent another $90 at the radiator shop and got 
> > it
> > customized some. It cools waaay better. If it gets hot at the drags all 
> > I
> > have to do is drive it thru the pits once and it cools down. I do 
> > believe
> > I'll need a shroud or preferably an electric fan set-up. I think it's a 
> > much
> > better bargain than the BeKool $800 set-up.
> >
> > Rich Kinsley '64 Dodge Polara 4dr 318poly w/goodies
> > =====================================================================
> > Gary Pavlovich wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Herb" <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
> >> <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx>>
> >> To: <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 8:06 AM
> >> Subject: Re: Polling on your best cooling experience; OEM copper
> >> radiators and clutch-fan
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Wow, just read Tech Topics in the new (Feb 2010) MoPar Action and your
> >> question was partially answered very well + more.  Basically get rid
> >> of full shrouds and replace with a Stock Viper (Late) or a 98 Grand
> >> Cherokee 360 shroud & fan assembly.  It states they have serious fans
> >> and vent flaps for
> >> high speed driving.   The owner says it fixed his heating problems & it
> >> took
> >> .26 off his ET?  The article also goes onto diagnose a problem with
> >> pressure in the system caused by galvanic corrosion 3 days after the
> >> engine has cooled down.
> >>
> >>            Herb
> >>
> >> 1956 Plymouth Belvedere 361
> >> 1959 Coronet 326 Poly
> >> 1963 Fury 2D/HT 6.1
> >> 1963 Sport Fury Convertible 361
> >> 1970 Challenger RT 440 - 4 Sale
> >> 1999 Durango SLT 5.9
> >> 2008 SRT-8 Magnum 6.1
> >> St. Louis, MO.
> >>
> >> http://1962to1965mopar.ornocar.com/mmo42009.html
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -------Original Message-------
> >>
> >> From: Gary Pavlovich
> >> Date: 10/24/2009 11:30:54 PM
> >> To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
> >> Subject: Polling on your best cooling experience; OEM copper radiators
> >> and clutch-fans vs
> >>
> >>
> >> Just checking with the group to see if the touted aluminum radiators
> >> (single or double pass) and with or without electric fans & shroud do
> >> a better job of cooling a High Performance Mopar engine (400-500HP)
> >> better than our good old 3 core (or four core?) High Efficiency copper
> >> radiators w/shrouds and Mopar clutch-fans?
> >>
> >> Please reply via private or list-wide e-mail if you feel it factually
> >> beneficial to the group as well.
> >>
> >> Thank you in anticipation of the empirical data and personal
> >> experience vs.
> >> the "marketing blurbs" of the catalogs, radiator/fan companies, and
> >> hear-say."
> >>
> >> Gary Pavlovich
> >>
> >>
> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>
> >>
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> >
> >
> >
> > Rich Kinsley '64 Dodge Polara 4dr 318poly w/goodies
> >
> >
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> 
> 
> 
> 



1996 Dodge Ram 3500 Van Conversion
1964 Plymouth Belvedere 318 Auto
1963 Plymouth Sport Fury 383 4-speed
1949 Dodge Pickup 289/C4 soon to be changed
1998 Honda Valkyrie Standard


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