I appreciate the suggestions David, I did do this and reached a dead end, but it was still nice to have the original dealership verified. The car came with the black California plates and even a plate frame from the dealership. One thing I didn't do was request a California DMV check. Indiana purges records older than 10 years, so I suppose I assumed that everyone did, but I don't really know. Maybe I'll check into that, anyone know about California?
Bill & Kathi Parker, South Central Indiana'60 Chrysler Saratoga kustom; '62 Plymouth Max Wedge; '64 Dart convertible; '65 Barracuda \6; '65 Imperial; '68 Barracuda FB 340-S; '69 Barracuda FB now 360; '70 Challenger now 440; '72 Cuda '340
From: David orr <fe2orr@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Reply-To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: 1962 413? Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 20:35:12 -0400There is always the possibility of going to chrysler historical and paying the $45.00 to have the info they have on the vin and in that they will tell you what dealer got your car. you then can see if the dealer is still up and going and if so he may well have old sales records of the car. I bought a 64 vert shell and track it down and found the original owner and went from there to locating lots of good info. There are many pack rats out there who hold on to stuff. NOT THAT ANY OF US HAVE LOTS OF STUFF!!!! it might be worth a try dave O----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill" <hemirr@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2007 5:39 PM Subject: RE: 1962 413?Excellent information Lupe. And I know Bill Watson will always come throughwith some good information for us too. Whenever members of this group see claims about '62-'65 cars, we often debate the possibilities and try to figure out things. We had quite a thread some time ago about a claim of a '65 max wedge car for instance. The question I personally wondered about your auction was whether there were factory installed 413 inline 2X4 engines, or whether they were dealer installed as Mr. Govier said, and whether you had documentation or were going by anecdote. I figured Mr. Davis would have an opinion. I know Mr. Govier has made mistakes, forexample he had the wrong '62 max radiator part number in earlier editions ofhis part number book, and corrected that in later editions. Of course Mr.Davis might make a mistake too. Lupe you have documentation already and aregoing for more, that's great. The Car Life article described by both you and Bill W. seems to imply that they had factory installed engines likethis, so I wonder if we are still going to have some mystery for now. Lupeyou said that you believe you have a car with a dealer installed engine. Just sifting all these things, I'm not sure that Mr. Davis' reply contradicts that, he seems to be saying that there weren't such engines factory installed. With regard to him saying that there were still cars being discovered not in his new books, he told me a few months ago that he looked at every '62-'65 record, and every max car is listed in his books. He seems to reiterate that in his reply I posted. But it would seem that a dealer installed engine is not going to be documented on the card or data plate anyway. So, the key is that you have some hard information on yourcar. And to me, that makes it a rare, interesting, and authentic car of itstype. What the heck, I just went to the eBay auction you mentioned and bought the magazine, I love collecting stuff like this, especially anything about '62's. I know it took me several years to reach the point I am now on my car with provenence; to begin with I had only the anecdotal information from Roland Osborne, first when he published the articles on the car in hismagazine back in '93, then when I met him in '95 at Rick Allison's shop nearIndy to buy the car from him. He had no actual documentation of any kind, so I reckon I took a chance on it. I tried to write the son of the guy whohad been said to have owned it through the '60's and '70's, but got nowhere.Next, I got the data plate and VIN decoded by Mr. Govier. At first I wassatisfied, then thought what if someone merely put the plate on another car?In '62 the VIN wasn't on the data plate of course. Even though all the equipment was there, etc etc I still wondered. In '99, when I began restifying the car, I stripped the engine compartment to bare metal and had a chance to look at and photograph the order number stamped into the radiator support, and it matched the number on the data plate, so that seemed satisfactory to me. Then I bought Mr. Davis' '62 book and VIN book, and found my VIN. Its the last one for '62 plymouth max cars, which agrees with the scheduled production date being the last one listed for '62. I still wish I had been able to make contact with that reported owner's son just to get what would probably be some great history on it. You mentioned Indiana trooper cars, I had a little experience with one. I parted out such a '62 back in 1971, which had a 361. From this car I got the big block engine brackets, transmission, and radiator I needed to convert my first '62 from a 318 poly to a big block. 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