RE: {Chrysler 300} Re: Chrysler 300J lack of power problem
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RE: {Chrysler 300} Re: Chrysler 300J lack of power problem



Measure the maximum advance (no vacuum) to ensure it doesn’t go above about 35 degrees as a first check.  You may have more advance than you think due to wear.  If ok you may well have a fuel flow problem at speed.  Idle pressure is not a good indicator.

 

Henry

 

From: chrysler-300-club-international@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:chrysler-300-club-international@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Michael PAIPAL
Sent: Wednesday, 3 July 2024 1:25 AM
Cc: Chrysler list server
Subject: {Chrysler 300} Re: Chrysler 300J lack of power problem

 

 

I would appreciate suggestions from the more experienced members of the club with long Ram engines and tac drive distributors.  We purchased this J from Al Vannic and are trying to get it to run correctly. I am experienced with Mopar RB engines.

 

The vacuum advance plate in my distributor was rusted and corroded, would not move, could not be fixed. I elected to replace the points with an electronic system with a vacuum advance and installed a Pertronix Ignition.  Set it at 15 degrees advance as per the manual.  The vacuum advance is working.

 

The car started easier but problems continue.  When driving at 50-60mph it pulsates quite rapidly and will if I try to accelerate it just bogs and has no power. It acts as if it is starving for gas.  I checked the fuel pump pressure and it is 5.5 psi at cranking speed. Meets spec.

 

It was suggested to me that the problem could be a worn advance mechanism in the distributor.  Has anyone experienced this condition?  One suggestion that I saw on u tube was to replace the distributor with a newer electronic unit and eliminate the tac drive.  I can do that but want you to keep original. 

 

Any suggestions???

 

Thank you,

 

Mike Paipal

 



 

 

From: Dan Plotkin [mailto:dplotkin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2024 10:38 AM
To: 'James Douglas' <jdd@xxxxxxxxxx>; 'Carl Bilter' <cbilter@xxxxxxxxx>; 'dave mason' <forwardlook300@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: Re[2]: {Chrysler 300} Brake master cylinders for 56-61 Chryslers - heads up

 

Folks- This subject is fodder on the Corvette Forum I visit as many Corvette owners use DOT 5. Lately people have said that some aftermarket brake makers, Lone Star among them now void their warranty if DOT 5 is used. Some say that a new rubber formulation is used that is incompatible with DOT 5.

Others say that DOT 5 chemistry has been changed by its makers. As long as I’ve been in the hobby there have been warnings on brake products against the use of DOT 5.

 

I believe this is unadulterated BS. I think brake part makers have found that DOT 5 filled brake systems will likely never again need hydraulic service. Using DOT 5 pitted wheel and master cylinder bores are a thing of the past. That is a problem for aftermarket sellers of brake parts. Also likely operative is that DOT 5 can be harder to bleed and likely results in many more technical service calls and returns, so makers can just as easily say don’t use DOT 5.

 

The DOT 5 problem is not a incompatibility problem. It’s a business problem.

 

Danny Plotkin

 

From: 'James Douglas' via Chrysler 300 Club International [mailto:chrysler-300-club-international@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2024 9:52 AM
To: Carl Bilter <cbilter@xxxxxxxxx>; dave mason <forwardlook300@xxxxxxxxx>
Cc: chrysler-300-club-international@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Re[2]: {Chrysler 300} Brake master cylinders for 56-61 Chryslers - heads up

 

I asked WhitePost about this and they responded with:

 

DOT 5 does not affect the sleeves, but it can affect the seals. Article attached.”

 

I am attaching their document.

 

James

 

 

From: Carl Bilter <cbilter@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, July 1, 2024 17:22
To: James Douglas <jdd@xxxxxxxxxx>; dave mason <forwardlook300@xxxxxxxxx>
Cc: chrysler-300-club-international@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re[2]: {Chrysler 300} Brake master cylinders for 56-61 Chryslers - heads up

 

Thanks for the suggestion James but White Post does not guarantee their resleeve work when the part is used with DOT5.  I have no idea why that matters, maybe you know.

This was a conversion on a 300G to DOT5 from unknown fluid use (most likely a mix of DOT3 and DOT5, as the P.O had dementia and could not remember what he had been using over the years) 

Hence the use of a new master (along with new wheel cylinders, alcohol flush of lines etc.)

 

Carl

 

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From "James Douglas" <jdd@xxxxxxxxxx>

To "dave mason" <forwardlook300@xxxxxxxxx>; "Carl Bilter" <cbilter@xxxxxxxxx>

Date 7/1/2024 6:54:46 PM

Subject RE: {Chrysler 300} Brake master cylinders for 56-61 Chryslers - heads up

 

Send and old one to White Post and have it sleeved.  Put in new guts. 

 

James

 

From: 'dave mason' via Chrysler 300 Club International <chrysler-300-club-international@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, July 1, 2024 16:25
To: Carl Bilter <cbilter@xxxxxxxxx>
Cc: chrysler-300-club-international@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: {Chrysler 300} Brake master cylinders for 56-61 Chryslers - heads up

 

Hi Carl,

 

Could you stuff a paper towel in the master, have a magnet or vacuum handy, and fine flat file the mating surface?  Going all the way across the master reservoir to keep the file flat… Maybe it’s a little rough?  Final finishing costs money so I wouldn’t be surprised…

I know filings aren’t desired in the reservoir ; maybe there’s a way to keep them out. I have had to do this on rocker cover mating surfaces (heads) to stop stubborn leaks…

D&K

 

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Jul 1, 2024, at 19:14, Carl Bilter <cbilter@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

 I hesitate to write a post that sounds like whining, but I think it is a valid heads up and a statement about the current availability/quality of master cylinders for 56-61 300s (and other Mopars).  

 

After much searching, and much to my delight, I found a listing on ebay that offered a "made in USA" brand new master cylinder for the above mentioned cars: 

 

Turns out that the seller is Andy Bernbaum, with whom historically I have had good experiences.  

 

So I ordered the part, and when it arrived, much to my disappointment, the part did not match the photo in the listing, as it does not say "made in USA" on the boot or anywhere else on the part.

No manufacturer box or instruction sheet was included either indicating country of origin.   The part was absolutely IDENTICAL to the Chinese made master cylinder that I had recently bouight at O'Reilly Auto Parts for $10 less!  It will fit of course, but will be no better quality than the part I already have.  So I am returning the part.  

 

The problem I'm having with the new Chinese made master cytlinders (all of them) is that they leak from the cap!  No matter how tight, or how full or not the reservior is with fluid (I'm using DOT5 silicone), the cap/gasket will not seal well.  I do not have this issue with my older American made masters cylinders or even the Chinese master cylinders from a few years ago.  The casting looks ok as does the gasket material.  I chalk it up to poor quality.  I may try doubling up the gasket?  Running out of ideas.  The cap bolt is also metric spec now (10mm hex head) - all of them - rather than the familiar 7/16" that was used even just a few years ago.  And yes, I bench bled the master per instructions, and actually, the Raybestos master (Chinese) says to not bench bleed or you will destroy the piston seal; so you bleed on the car (and waste fluid). 

 

The plug in the bottom port will tend to leak some as well, despite using thread sealer, but that's not a new issue and some of the older American made units will do that as well. 

 

Other than leaking, the Chinese made masters seem to function well.  

 

Anyone else having this issue?  Solutions?  

 

Carl B

 

 

 

 

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