Re: {Chrysler 300} F Manifold
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Re: {Chrysler 300} F Manifold



As we went into before , from an engineering perspective cast iron CANNOT be welded in a conventional sense . Those that claim to do it are uninformed and wrong . When cooling it always leaves high thermal stress next to weld melt and it will crack . Whether it remains “ half stuck” on mechanically is totally misleading . It is not welded . I don’t doubt sincerity but it can’t be done  no matter how skillful , with a welder on a bench . 
It can be “ welded “ if the whole thing is white hot in a gas oven specially built from fire brick shaped to hold it and then arc welded with cast iron rod in the oven while white hot which means “asbestos like “ suit and gloves.
Then it cools over 4 hours in sand as if just cast . 
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Stitch and weld in California can do this for about 1000 . I did that on one out of desperation 4/5 years ago that was cracked across the heat riser box. Came out perfect . 
Gas braziing  with it red hot and a big flame May be more fruitful , there are specialty alloys for trying that . Braze is much lower temp to melt it . It us very strong but May not “ bite” the cast iron , like soldering . 
I have fixed those with broken ear by drilling a hole higher up , about an inch for a stainless 1/4 “ through bolt from inside and fabricating a flat stainless metal piece like a flag on a stainless 1/4 threaded rod that hangs down and then acts as the other bolt on exhaust head pipe flange . That works . And unlike brazing etc cannot break off .

So many  of us lose ex manifolds  due to ignorance of muffler guy hanging head pipe or devein worse whole system off manifold  then pulling on it . Extreme care is needed . Maybe our # 1 guy Bob M adds something informational about this to his litany of VERY helpful info . Related to this , many ram manifolds wee saved ( hey, a cool thing!) but no one saved the special exhaust . I bet there are ten rams stored for someday , per ram stored with an exhaust too . If going stock , ram intake is useless without the exhaust .

Goes to B block headers , and question of do 62 headers fit 60 ? TTI lists for 62 swb and C body , but not 60 . Would love to know answer . They do not know . 

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On Aug 10, 2022, at 11:56 PM, 'mark love' via Chrysler 300 Club International <chrysler-300-club-international@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Sorry ladies and gents, ‘hers and hims’, or gals and guys or hey you and you.

It’s Trillion Industries.

trillionindustries.com

Phone

+1 (403) 243-0036

On Aug 10, 2022, at 7:45 PM, mark love <marklove@xxxxxx> wrote:

It won’t matter much that we have a terrific welder in Calgary Alberta who welds cast (and everything else) welded my cast exhaust manifold when the g d muffler shop hung the exhaust off the manifolds while they were wrestling them into alignment and fastening them down.  Can’t account for stupidity.  But it’s Trillium Industries in Calgary if you wanna ship it up and have them do it.  It was the outside ‘ear’ on the leading port and they got it.
M.

On Aug 10, 2022, at 7:38 PM, Ron Waters <ronbo97@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Also agree. They only time I've heard of successful cast iron welding is when it involved a cracked block. With a block, there's plenty of 'meat' to work with, so you can cut a V-channel into it before beginning the welding process. For an exhaust manifold, you're done for.
 
Ron


From: chrysler-300-club-international@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:chrysler-300-club-international@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of dplotkin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 9:10 PM
To: Ryan Hill
Cc: 93saturnfan; chrysler-300-club-international@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: {Chrysler 300} F Manifold

I'll second that. You will be well advised to spend time seeking a replacement than a welder. The fellow who proposed JB Weld, an epoxy, a plastic, must have been kidding. I hope so. 

 

Dan
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From: "Ryan Hill" <ryan_hillc300@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 9:04pm
To: "93saturnfan" <93saturnfan@xxxxxxxxx>
Cc: "chrysler-300-club-international@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <chrysler-300-club-international@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: {Chrysler 300} F Manifold

In my opinion, the task is nearly impossible. There has been discussion on this topic in the past and I don’t recollect anyone having more than short term success with a manifold. The process requires the manifold to be heated to an almost molten state before a weld can be successful. 

Ryan Hill

On Aug 10, 2022, at 3:56 PM, 93saturnfan <93saturnfan@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Well I received a call from the welding shop I took my broken manifold to today. They were able to weld it together but upon striking it with a hammer to make sure it held, it cracked again. Then the welder suggested I use JB weld to fix it. I don't know if it cracked along the weld or elsewhere as I haven't seen it yet but I plan on picking it up tomorrow and taking my business elsewhere. 
Does anyone in the Midwest or Southeast Wisconsin area have any recommendations of a welding place that can handle a cast iron manifold? 
Thank you in advance.
Ryan Stevenson 

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