| hey guys , my interest is totally in the technology and design , engineering , as those who know me well , know . Zero criticism of people ever ever . Or their ideas
. Trying to help this effort , in essence ,
—been racing early hemi on the street since 61. Love the early hemi and how it came to be . Love the F too . I get a kick out of what Mikes father did , ( good idea) as I am finishing 450” 392 in an F . —-sounds like i think just like his dad . OD too. So can run 4:30’s I found out a few years back Chick Kramer ( early club member) had a 392 with stick Packard Od in a Fury , got into 12’s . Way back then. I did EXACT same thing , same time period in a Dodge . So did Hot Rod magazine / Ray Brock with “ Suddenly” Plymouth ( less the Packard) As Mike’s dad probably knows , it’s really good to beat 57 chebbys and 409 ‘s . Ain’t happening with stock 300. I love what Mike said, big tent , all are in it . Agree a story all will follow. On the 450 392 , car was all built for FI , but going back to carb . Big fan of KISS . But number one deserves the big try John Sent from my iPhone not by choice I hope that Mike can get his running as well and see it in an article as well done as this one. It would be fantastic. You took great pictures for Mike to use in his project. Jerry From: dverity@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:dverity@xxxxxxxxxxx]
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Subject: Re: {Chrysler 300} Check this out! McCandless —Fuel Injected! Vin 0001? The article was done by allpar, they used my pictures with permission. I took those right after Tom had gotten it running. I found this article from our own Don Verity about the De Soto fuel injewction https://www.allpar.com/threads/1958-chrysler-desoto-electrojector-world%E2%80%99s-first-electronic-fuel-injection.228433/ Hope it comes through okay Jerry Lindsay while not wanting to belabor it any more, the “ special Bendix electrolytic capacitors” are more fairy story . It is a standard electrical component available for ten bucks at Mouser . ( Panasonic are the best ones) . Radio guys commonly put them inside the old cans for looks . Whatever lifts your boat . All that said , the basic unit and the engineering conceptual ideas used in executing it are very poor . As are the injectors . Why it was pulled . Correct decision . Beyond that it can enter the realm of Fish Carburetor etc Or my grandfather’s Ax . Replaced the handle , later replace the head. Still his ax Whatever , i only wish good luck to Mike on it . The decision what to do needs to be made rationally from a point of truly understanding it , not opinion ,— if you really want to drive it — which admittedly colors my comment , and may not be the end goal at all . Trailer queen or museum piece may go other ways . All this has zero to do with the superb skill of restorer . It has to do with whether it ever worked well enough at all , even with engineering support, for more than an hour as designed. Call it a failed engineering experiment pointing to the correct future device .. I do . That is common in engineering . How you learn . ( ps, the next try on the 318 in the ? 80 Imperial did not work out so well either , although that can be fixed up ) I would buy a Holley CIS system and adapt to the original manifold etc . Drive it , lots better than the WCFB too. Still the #1 fuel injected car. Still fuel injected too) The restoration company that Mr Mccandless hired for the restoration is the only one that successfully duplicated all the bendix capacitors. Tom White Sr is a electrical engineer who worked for Raytheon in the late fifties to the late seventies. His 58 adventurer ran good and was rebuilt using as many original parts as possible. I hope to be a part of this project even if it's supplying some nos parts. Unfortunately I won't be able to report on the project as there are certain confidentiality stipulations between the 2 parties. But knowing the Whitehall family as I do the car will be as close to original as physically possible Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message -------- Date: 4/25/21 7:30 PM (GMT-05:00) Subject: Re: {Chrysler 300} Check this out! McCandless —Fuel Injected! Vin 0001? hi , I hope someone looks at the info Bob has on the 300 site , all the factory data , tests , decisions they made — and why — and the also the analysis / report of it I did , looking at it as an EE . I spent a year on this , wrote it up, as much misinformation was always floating around . It really interested me, “How did it work?” They were all pulled because they all failed , and one can see why they failed from the schematic of it . “ Interference “ by neon signs ? etc etc - are all incorrect . Not possible . There are no “ vacuum tubes” either . Fairy stories. Jim B had the original Chrysler engineering test and service problem info , passed it on to me at the time . I believe Gloria also helped out. I also found the prints of it ; flat out unworkable very naive design . Not by Chrysler by the way ,— it was Bendix as a vendor trying to sell them prototype “ great new idea” aircraft style ? electric fuel injectors on a car . They made many exotic claims , some at Chrysler believed them . GM had a fairly good FI coming ,too —Rochester mechanical , — shook them up at Mopar . Rochester engineers were carb guys, knew the real issues . Even if one “ got it running” with the original design and parts , i doubt you will go 300 miles . And it won’t be pleasant . It might destroy your engine in fact , due to the exact ways it commonly failed . Bad news. As in injectors not closing or sealing, steadily leaking fuel into one cylinder , filling it = hydraulic lock , bent rods etc , —- of course intermittently . Yow .... They often had to supply not just carbs , but whole new service engines . For instance it has a mechanical brush system added to the distributor to go cylinder to cylinder on the injectors . Not like a rotor ( which does not touch the contacts ) it had to touch reliably (!) at 12 volts . Right . talk about a D - design idea. I think those who adapt closed loop O2 sensor systems to the old throttle body really deserve our praise ,not criticism, as it was truly too far ahead of 55- 1956 analog technology to ever work . Hide the CPU box under the dash Kind of along the lines of wooden wheel bearings lubed by tallow . yeah , it works , and is “all original “ . You can do that if you want to .. for about 20 miles. And bring a brush and bucket of NOS tallow. Walk next to it. And a jack , fire extinguisher , ( if overheats = fire) and new clean clothes. John G Sent from my iPhone not by choice --
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