Not to beat on this too much, but—if the vapor lock is due to hot underhood airflow heating the ¼” steel tube with cooler gasoline inside it, and one adds a “heat sink” to the tubing, the net effect will be to further heat the tubing and gasoline. As noted, I’ve done it and seen it “work”. As a non-believer in witchcraft and sorcery I’ve also used a T-handle made from bronze welding rod to locate a buried steel pipeline. The action was forceful, repeatable and excavation showed the line to be there. But I much prefer the sophisticated buried line locators. Just because we don’t fully understand a complex physical/thermodynamic/hydrodynamic/chemical process doesn’t mean it doesn’t work. Much the same applies to our personal preferences and interpersonal relationships. Some nice folks like Chrysler 300’s, others think Chebbies & Mustangs are where it’s at. Further, within the 300 group, some like fins and some (like Bob Rodger) miss them when they are gone. Some like faux tire covers on a trunk—some don’t. Some think a four-door Chrysler 300 is not a real Chrysler 300 even though many more have put their money on the table for the four-doors—even the 4WD models. Yah, some of them got a Hemi©. We humans are much harder to figure out than the science of powered transportation, especially we car nuts and more especially we Chrysler 300 aficionados. There is no solution. Seek it lovingly. C300K’ly forever, Rich Barber Brentwood, CA From: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Michael Moore mmoore8425@xxxxxxx [Chrysler300]
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Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Vintage Fuel Pump Supplier When I was a teenager, for a while you could buy aluminum clothespins. I once read about using THOSE for heatsinks on fuel lines and that is understandable. They had a wide base like a paper clamp, 300H i have a friend that also uses clothes pins on his cool 39 ford flathead : )
We used wooden clothes pins on the gas line of our 1930 and 40's Ford V-8's for a heat sink. It works.
John
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Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 10:22 AM
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Subject: RE: [Chrysler300] Vintage Fuel Pump Supplier
Had a guy tell me just the other day when I was relating Hi-Temp issues w/the F last summer while on the way to the PA meet, clip a bunch of wooden clothes pins on the gas line!!???
For a heat sink??
Any of you guys try that!??
From: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of 'John Grady' jkg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [Chrysler300]
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 10:11 AM
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Subject: RE: [Chrysler300] Vintage Fuel Pump Supplier
I think all float governed cars , Carter carbs , will work over a reasonable range of pressures , I mean ?? what can be critical there? Think of inlet valve? Same as toilet valve at 100psi., just bigger float? (only kidding)
Number might be related to some pressure spec, as part of the fuel pump spec (has to be set, to design the spring force ) but carb will shut off 3 to 6 or so. Probably a lot more. I do not think they are 7-- but maybe. 70’s dodge truck has 318, NICE carter 2 bbl, like the front half of an AFB, “318 fuel pump” , same float and needle as essentially all of them have? Maybe they raised spec for more static pressure in the shut off line, with easy to boil fuels?. But even if it boils there, it just pushes through vapor when float opens ; might make more vapor at carb (which they seem to worry about a lot in 70’s , charcoal canister all that)
With respect to carb pressure , would be a minimum spec, not a max, to get enough flow needle open , to support HP. Maybe 318 pump is in fact a lot better ,given ethanol…
While on this, Lots of people think vapor lock happens in that line from fuel pump to carb..you see wraps , rubber covers etc..it cannot, --think about it!--as carb end is wide open when it needs fuel, , pump pushes fuel through it boiling or not. But at suction line near pump to frame or inside the pump , negative pressure at suction causes boiling, you might have troubles-- with suction induced low temp boiling. ( Studebakers known for this, some had pump on top of engine ) Vapor lock implies inlet valve in fuel pump has gas vapor around disc instead of fuel, cannot pump / draw in vapor with that kind of valve . Line to carb , after that point has nothing to do with that..
My .03
( A cynical Chrysler guy once told a Chevy guy, “ that line needs aluminum foil wrapped around it”, (once) . Lots of Chevy guys; they believe, they have both the magnet and aluminum foil, they swear it works great.)
From: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of 'Ron Waters' ronbo97@xxxxxxxxxxx [Chrysler300]
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 9:06 AM
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Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Vintage Fuel Pump Supplier
They may fit and work, but they also put out too much pressure...7 pounds or more. This car requires a pump that puts out between 3.5 and 5 pounds.
Ron
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Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 7:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Vintage Fuel Pump Supplier
Don't know this to be correct or not, but somewhere I once read that a more modern fuel pump from a 318 engine fits and works?
On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 11:18 PM, 2HsandaHeritage@xxxxxxxxxxx [Chrysler300] <Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Ron,
I have had 2 rebuilt in New York for about $130 ea including shipping - Arthur Gould Rebuilders, Inc. 631-269-0093.
Or obtain one from a salvage yard and have it rebuilt.
Doug Warrener
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From: "'Ron Waters' ronbo97@xxxxxxxxxxx [Chrysler300]" <Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Sunday, May 1, 2016 4:59:58 PM
Subject: [Chrysler300] Vintage Fuel Pump Supplier
Hey Everyone -
Does anyone have contact information for someone that may have vintage Carter fuel pumps ?
Thanks,
Ron
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