Re: [Chrysler300] Vintage Fuel Pump Supplier

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From: John Grady <jkg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: 'Mark Souders' <mrs954@xxxxxxx>; 'David Schwandt' <finsruskw@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; 'Ron Waters' <ronbo97@xxxxxxxxxxx>; 'John Nowosacki' <jsnowosacki@xxxxxxxxx>; 2HsandaHeritage <2HsandaHeritage@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: 'Chrysler300' <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wed, May 4, 2016 9:55 am
Subject: RE: [Chrysler300] Vintage Fuel Pump Supplier

Had to be coincidence, Mark..the carb end of line is wide open, float is down , if pump is pushing gas why would boiling between carb and pump stop the flow in that part of line. Think about it. Cannot happen. Even if vapor or mix , it moves on through into carb? If it boiled fast enough to evaporate full flow of gas(no way) it rapidly be cooled by that evaporation..

Think of garden hose sitting on lawn, one end is wide open , water is on. How do you stop flow coming out of end. " by boiling" .

Maybe it was real vapor lock at fuel pump , in which case clothes pin after pump does nothing. More likely a bit of foreign matter in intake valve of fuel pump cleared itself..happens a lot.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Souders [mailto:mrs954@xxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 9:39 PM
To: 'David Schwandt'; 'John Grady'; 'Ron Waters'; 'John Nowosacki'; 2HsandaHeritage@xxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: 'Chrysler300'
Subject: RE: [Chrysler300] Vintage Fuel Pump Supplier

Yes, the clothes pin trick worked for me. While driving from South Carolina to Pennsylvania in my 69 Dart convertible, we had major problems keeping it running. We were in the process of moving back to PA, and Cheryl was driving the Dart and I was driving the rental truck. We stopped several times to work out the problem, when I finally realized it was "vaporlocking" I opened the door to the truck, found the box of clothespins, and clipped them on the fuel line between the filter and carb. It worked! Got me all the way to PA without another issue.

Happy Moparing,
Mark

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From: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of 'David Schwandt' finsruskw@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [Chrysler300]
Sent: Tuesday, May 3, 2016 1:22 PM
To: 'John Grady' <jkg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; 'Ron Waters' <ronbo97@xxxxxxxxxxx>; 'John Nowosacki' <jsnowosacki@xxxxxxxxx>; 2HsandaHeritage@xxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: 'Chrysler300' <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: [Chrysler300] Vintage Fuel Pump Supplier

Had a guy tell me just the other day when I was relating Hi-Temp issues w/the F last summer while on the way to the PA meet, clip a bunch of wooden clothes pins on the gas line!!???

For a heat sink??

Any of you guys try that!??

From: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of 'John Grady' jkg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [Chrysler300]
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 10:11 AM
To: 'Ron Waters'; 'John Nowosacki'; 2HsandaHeritage@xxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: 'Chrysler300'
Subject: RE: [Chrysler300] Vintage Fuel Pump Supplier

I think all float governed cars , Carter carbs , will work over a reasonable range of pressures , I mean ?? what can be critical there? Think of inlet valve? Same as toilet valve at 100psi., just bigger float? (only kidding)

Number might be related to some pressure spec, as part of the fuel pump spec (has to be set, to design the spring force ) but carb will shut off 3 to 6 or so. Probably a lot more. I do not think they are 7-- but maybe. 70’s dodge truck has 318, NICE carter 2 bbl, like the front half of an AFB, “318 fuel pump” , same float and needle as essentially all of them have? Maybe they raised spec for more static pressure in the shut off line, with easy to boil fuels?. But even if it boils there, it just pushes through vapor when float opens ; might make more vapor at carb (which they seem to worry about a lot in 70’s , charcoal canister all that)

With respect to carb pressure , would be a minimum spec, not a max, to get enough flow needle open , to support HP. Maybe 318 pump is in fact a lot better ,given ethanol…

While on this, Lots of people think vapor lock happens in that line from fuel pump to carb..you see wraps , rubber covers etc..it cannot, --think about it!--as carb end is wide open when it needs fuel, , pump pushes fuel through it boiling or not. But at suction line near pump to frame or inside the pump , negative pressure at suction causes boiling, you might have troubles-- with suction induced low temp boiling. ( Studebakers known for this, some had pump on top of engine ) Vapor lock implies inlet valve in fuel pump has gas vapor around disc instead of fuel, cannot pump / draw in vapor with that kind of valve . Line to carb , after that point has nothing to do with that..

My .03

( A cynical Chrysler guy once told a Chevy guy, “ that line needs aluminum foil wrapped around it”, (once) . Lots of Chevy guys; they believe, they have both the magnet and aluminum foil, they swear it works great.)

From: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of 'Ron Waters' ronbo97@xxxxxxxxxxx [Chrysler300]
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 9:06 AM
To: John Nowosacki; 2HsandaHeritage@xxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: Chrysler300
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Vintage Fuel Pump Supplier

They may fit and work, but they also put out too much pressure...7 pounds or more. This car requires a pump that puts out between 3.5 and 5 pounds.

Ron

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From: John Nowosacki <mailto:jsnowosacki@xxxxxxxxx>

To: 2HsandaHeritage@xxxxxxxxxxx

Cc: Ron Waters <mailto:ronbo97@xxxxxxxxxxx> ; Chrysler300 <mailto:Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 7:42 AM

Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Vintage Fuel Pump Supplier

Don't know this to be correct or not, but somewhere I once read that a more modern fuel pump from a 318 engine fits and works?

On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 11:18 PM, 2HsandaHeritage@xxxxxxxxxxx [Chrysler300] <Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi Ron,

I have had 2 rebuilt in New York for about $130 ea including shipping - Arthur Gould Rebuilders, Inc. 631-269-0093.

Or obtain one from a salvage yard and have it rebuilt.

Doug Warrener

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From: "'Ron Waters' ronbo97@xxxxxxxxxxx [Chrysler300]" <Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Chrysler300" <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, May 1, 2016 4:59:58 PM
Subject: [Chrysler300] Vintage Fuel Pump Supplier

Hey Everyone -

Does anyone have contact information for someone that may have vintage Carter fuel pumps ?

Thanks,

Ron

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"A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take away everything you have." ... Thomas Jefferson

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