Colorado's oxygenated fuel started in the late 1970's and in full swing in the early 80's. MTBE or Methyl Tertiary Butyl Ether was the most popular until it was showing up in ground water. Ethanol was the next and safer oxygenate. The purpose was to reduce cold weather air pollution, and it did help. Now comes the conspiracy theory... on the advent of computer controlled fuel metering systems there was no longer a need for oxygenated fuel. The lambda and or oxygen sensors read the extra O2 in the exhaust and richen the fuel ratio, wasting fuel and causing other problems. Some people believe that the Governing system didn't want to change the system being there were so many pre-1975 vehicles on the road, as well as an Emission testing Program was enacted to additionally clean up the front range air 'Metro Denver' Seven large counties. Basic limits were put on tail pipe emissions, but exemptions were an option for an additional penalty. I am sure the system did help in a very marginal amount. Today we no longer need Oxy fuel or emission test but it is wasting tax and revenue dollars, being fuel taxes etc. were now put into a non-traceable GENERAL FUND. The fuel taxes used to be used for road and bridges. Now Colorado has additional taxes on License plates. Colorado's highways are really poor and toll roads and private for profit roads are being built. I live 11 miles from Boulder Colorado, A proposal to use an old but newly improved toll road, Managed be an Australian Company would cost $14.00 to use. I didn't even get to vote on any of this. I can tell you now it's all about the almighty dollar, not for the good of the tax payer. FYI the emission standard we tuned for in 1968, was more stringent than decades later Colorado Emission requirement.
To: rixpac@xxxxxxx; jackcboyle@xxxxxxxxx; millserat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; rfmelton@xxxxxxx; chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2015 20:31:45 -0600 Subject: RE: [Chrysler300] Ethanol-exempt vehicles?
I thought real gas was banned in Colorado now?
From: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of RICK AND DEBBIE CLAPHAM rixpac@xxxxxxx [Chrysler300]
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 8:08 PM
To: Jack Boyle; 'EMills_ATC'; 'Ray Melton'; chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [Chrysler300] Ethanol-exempt vehicles?
I have been running ethanol fuels for decades and very few problems. I can buy straight gasoline for about a 10 percent higher price. The only concerns I have is storing a vehicle for extended periods. I personally run the fuel level down and top off with 100LL Or racing fuel. Knock on wood not any problems.
To: millserat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; rfmelton@xxxxxxx; chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
From: Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2015 19:59:13 -0600
Subject: RE: [Chrysler300] Ethanol-exempt vehicles?
In an interview on the radio a few months ago the oil company rep was asked why E-85 is arbitrarily 15% gasoline? He said if they didn’t add the gasoline – people would drink it. So it’s a Darwin issue. I say let’s thin the herd. …Jack Not to burst anyones bubble - but I buy only non-alcoholic gas for my old tractors - problem is sometimes it acts just like the alcoholic gas - ruins old rubber gaskets on fuel sediment bowls and generally causes a lot of problems with fuel system.
Based on looking at a new gasket the following day and finding it had swelled up to where it would no longer fit where it fit perfectly the day before, I have to assume I got sold alcoholic gas for the price of the good stuff.
Caveat Emptor.
Best, ed
Edward Mills Antique Tractors 1930-1960 Antique Cars 1960-1985 Google found several gas stations here in New Mexico that supposedly sell non-ethanol gas, but phone calls to 4 of the 9 stations listed confirmed that none of them did any more, so the Google info is outdated. Economic pressure from the Federal Government has been pushing vendors to increase the proportion of ethanol-contaminated gas throughout the country, but it appears that the ratio of bad/good gas quotas vary from one region to another depending on the region (or state) and even the season (Must sell greater proportion of bad gas in Winter for pollution control. See the article below: (Probably have to cut/paste)
http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/ethanol-free-gasoline-may-not-be-available-soon/
The last time I was able to get ethanol-free gas here in Las Cruces was the Summer of 2011. I spoke to the district manager about that subject back then, and he told me the very same thing as the article, and in pretty specific regulatory and economic terms, so I was convinced that he knew what he was talking about. Our *#&^@%$! Federal Gov't honking things up AGAIN - or should I say "STILL"! However, I have found that most marine applications cannot accommodate any ethanol in the gas, and so the industry has come up with some solutions to deal with the non-availability of the pure gas, in the form of fuel additives that claim to negate the adverse effects of ethanol. Some empirical surveys indicate that the best additive is "Star-tron Enzyme Fuel Treatment", which is a line of additives for use in automobiles, small engines and boats (even a formula for diesels) to address not only ethanol problems, but also fuel degradation during long-term storage. I've been putting this in all my gasoline engines for over a year -- although I can't claim any statistical improvement, it may be like "chicken soup" cure for colds! Lucas also makes a similar additive. See this link to Star-tron below:
http://www.starbrite.com/en/startron
Ray Melton To our knowledge there are NO non-ethanol gas stations in our whole state, let alone the big city Baltimore/DC Metro. area. We are surprised that so many other states have non-ethanol fuel available!!! Maryland can't be the only state like this. Anybody else out there in a state that doesn't give their citizens a choice? If we are wrong, please let us know where to go (other than an airfield). We have no airplane numbers to use. Anything near the extreme eastern Mason Dixon Line on the Pa. side? The ones in the Lancaster area are either closed or no longer offer the fuel. Of course the law of diminishing returns plays in. We can only go so far to get it. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 6:52 PM Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Ethanol-exempt vehicles? Any motor vehicle or gas fired engine in the state of Iowa can use the non-ethanol gas, including modern iron. We just have to pay a price premium for it; about $0.40/gallon more than the ethanol crap which, of course, is artificially discounted to promote usage. And most folks here will buy the ethanol crap simply because it is the cheapest gas, and they could care less about what it does to their engines or vehicles, or are simply clueless about it. The ethanol pumps have stickers that say “cleaner air for Iowa” or something to that effect which is absolute bunk. I don’t know how the farmers feel about it, but a big part of our state economy is based on agriculture or ag related. Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 4:56 PM Subject: [Chrysler300] Ethanol-exempt vehicles? If older farm vehicles can be exempted from using ethanol-contaminated gasoline, is there any reason that our older pre-ethanol 300's can't get a similar exemption? Or is that just another perk our wonderful government has bestowed upon (bribed) the farmers who will grow the virtually inedible variety of corn used to make ethanol?
Ray Melton
Las Cruces, NM What I meant was…
Lots of the older farm equipment require non ethanol fuel,
Not a problem finding it at all around here, thank goodness!
Plus, it makes all my old Kohlers in Cub Cadets purr like a kitten!!
From: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Keith Boonstra kboonstra@xxxxxxxxxxxx [Chrysler300]
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 3:50 PM
To: David Schwandt
Cc: 300-Gil Cunningham; chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300]
Wait, what ????!!
The ethanol is mandated by the politicians for the sole purpose of supporting the Iowa corn farmers who support the politicians for supporting mandated ethanol, and the Iowa farmers who grow corn for ethanol get to have plentiful non-E gas for their own use???
You have GOT to be kidding !!!
Can a country secede from itself?
Keith Boonstra
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On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 10:56 AM, 'David Schwandt' finsruskw@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [Chrysler300] mailto:Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
We are lucky here in that we can get non-E gas most anywhere, thanks to the farmers!
Gil, are Ya gonna bring the Blue F to PA this summer??
We are thinking on it.
Dave Schwandt
From: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of lettercars@xxxxxxx [Chrysler300]
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 4:26 PM
To: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300]
Terry and All:
Knock on wood----I have not had the ethanol trouble---at least not yet! A couple weeks ago I started up my 300F for the first time in over a year (ashamed of that!) and took it for a fairly exuberant drive. It started very well with a little gasoline poured in each carb, and ran just fine. I will say that one of my stops on that little excursion was a fill up with NON-ethanol fuel at the local Marathon station. At least I feel better now!
300ly, Gil C.
In a message dated 3/2/2015 2:49:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
I just read in Autoweek mag Jay Leno's essay on the evils of ethanol. In my 300F I have been running a mix of 100+ octane leaded aviation gas and pump premium spiked with the normal amount of ethanol. Has anybody in the Club experienced any problems with today's ethanol-infused gas? Jay talks about rubber parts (in fuel pumps, for example) being eaten up and ensuing engine fires. Terry McTaggart
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