Hi Andy -
IMHO, the link applies to all commercial bodyshops, from
the 'fast and furious' refinishers to restoration shops to hot rod painters
that use three-stage paint.
If we're talking about what is correct for letter cars,
the shop manual mentions 'baked super enamel' which is unavailable now and was
unavailable back in the day. It was only used by the factory when the car was
initially painted. So, IMHO, the next best thing is to simulate the look of BSE.
An experienced painter should be able to do this thru learned 'tricks' such as
adding a bit of color to the final clear coat in a two-stage paint job. Also,
lightly buffing the clear coat will give it a nice shine, but it won't make it
look a mile deep, as you would see on a corvette.
Shops should be able to spray either a single stage or two
stage paint. When I had my Plymouth painted, my shop, which does collision as
well as restoration work, discussed the advantages and disadvantages of each.
They were willing to do either one. In terms of technique, I don't see where
there would be a major difference between spraying a single vs. two stage paint.
BTW, any shop worth its salt will order fresh paint + supplies for your
expensive paint job.
For the water-based paints, there may be some differences
in application technique. It is the responsibility of the shop to keep up on the
latest technology. The owner of my shop regularly attends classes to keep up to
date. As for the results, they should look the same as solvent-based
paints.
Ron,
in somewhat frosty Hartford
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, December 13, 2013 1:00
AM
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] paint
Ron, that link pertains to "customizers and aftermarket manufacturers"
and shops in the "repair and refinish segment" (hi Mike!) who have to be
"fast" and "economical." This does not address what paint is appropriate for a
50s/60s Chrysler. Obviously 100% of working body shops today have been working
with modern two-stage paints for 20+ years. Every day. Hopefully they are good
at it. Most are probably not even set up for single stage paint anymore. And
if they are not then they are out of practice shooting it and may not have the
supporting chemicals on hand. In which case shooting a car in a single stage
is going to be extra expense and hassle for them. So if you bring your 50s/60s
Chrysler to a shop like that they are going to try to talk you into the modern
paint they are using. I'm with Jett here. Go with an appropriate paint type
that looks right. One suggestion: try a shop that also paints commercial
trucks, they should be set up for and be practiced with single stage.
Andy M
300 editor
In frosty Chicago
>My friend did not store his car the
first winter in a "temperature controlled environment" as he did not know he
was supposed to.
>He was told that the freezing and thawing
temperatures during the winter here in Pennsylvania caused condensation
under the paint.
IMHO, this is pure BS.
Paint delamination can be caused by such
factors as incompatible base coat/clear coat, insufficient dry times
(probably what happened here) or lack of knowledge of how to work with the
new technology. It is NOT caused by storing a car outside or by
freezing/thawing temps.
Instead of blaming 'wacko-environmentalists',
it may be worth reading up on the subject. Here's a good place to
start:
Ron
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013
10:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300]
paint
A friend of mine had his 1965 "A990"
Plymouth restored in California 2 years ago. This last year he had to have
all the paint stripped off and the car repainted. The car had been painted
with the California "eco-paint"/water-paint. My friend did not store his
car the first winter in a "temperature controlled environment" as he did
not know he was supposed to. The California paint lifted off in chunks
over the whole car. He was told that the freezing and thawing temperatures
during the winter here in Pennsylvania caused condensation under the
paint. The car had to be stripped to bare metal. To add insult to injury,
Pennsylvania has adopted this same California enviro-nonsense. My friend
had to ship his car to North Carolina to have it re-done with real
paint.
I'm no expert - just relaying an incidence.
Two different body shops concurred that this problem was "possible". I see
you are in New York which has the same weather conditions.
Jeff Miklas
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 7:35 AM
Subject: [Chrysler300] paint
HI GANG. BEEN THINKING OF GETING MY 62 SPORT CONVT. PAINTED, ANYONE
KNOW ABOUT WATER BASE PAINT. ITS NOT A LAW YET IN NY SO I DONT HAVE
TO USE IT. ANY PROWS OR CONS. THANKS JOE LUCIANO
HOWARD BEACH NY
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