Marshall is correct. I forgot to add, the knurl for the rope seal must be ground smooth for the lip seal to work. Needless to say the motor needs to be disassembled. Thank you, Gary, the parts doc Mail: garythepartsdoc@xxxxxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: mgoodknight@xxxxxxxx [mailto:mgoodknight@xxxxxxxx] Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 4:52 PM To: gnelson@xxxxxxxxxxxx Cc: JettLarry@xxxxxxx; chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: [Chrysler300] oil leaking 392 There's no way you could ever see any part of the rear main crankshaft seal with the oil pan in place on the engine. I think the "rope-like" gasket that Larry refers to must be the seal between the pan and the main bearing cap. All of those that I've seen are of neoprene, but maybe can look rope-like when dirty and wet with oil. You can have a leak there, Larry, but if you do I suspect a slight defect in the oil pan surface not properly prepared during the overhaul. You should be able to repair that quite easily with the pan off. Opinions differ about what kind of seal to use in the rear mains. Most of the older engines were originally equipped with a rope type seal and they work very well and last a long time if properly installed. Unfortunately a proper installation is a bit tricky and I think that's the main reason the rubber-lip seal is often preferred. When a rope seal was used the crankshaft was usually knurled with helical grooves on the sealing surface and those grooves tended to accumulate surplus oil and sort of pump it back toward the sump in normal crankshaft rotation. If you put a rubber-lip seal on that grooved surface you will almost certainly create a leak. That rubber lip-seal needs a very smooth, almost polished finish to work effectively. Marshall Goodknight Please note: message attached From: "Gary Nelson" <gnelson@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <JettLarry@xxxxxxx>, <chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: RE: [Chrysler300] oil leaking 392 Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 16:06:21 -0700 ____________________________________________________________ 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4f5d3afe45e5226723a6st01duc ------------------------------------ To send a message to this group, send an email to: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to bob@xxxxxxxxxxxxx or go to http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/Chrysler300/join and select the "Leave Group" button For list server instructions, go to http://www.chrysler300club.com/yahoolist/inst.htm For archives go to http://www.forwardlook.net/300-archive/search.htm#querylangYahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Chrysler300/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Chrysler300/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: Chrysler300-digest@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Chrysler300-fullfeatured@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Chrysler300-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/