Re: [Chrysler300] 300F @ $200K-Reserve not met

[Ron Stewart <ronstewart31@xxxxxxxxx>]

thank you , ryan alot of smoke is coming  out of the tail pipes that some
members have, maybe some potatos up thier tail pipes good cure there
problems memeber since1975 if you want a article about a 300 i probaly have
it. c300 ron 12000 mile c300 brand new, still on the blue streaks

On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 8:14 PM, Ryan Hill <ryan_hillc300@xxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:

>
> I'm surprised anyone in this club has any doubt about the existence,
> history, and authenticity of this particular vehicle after all of the
> discussion and interesting stories surounding the 'specials' and including
> this specific car.
>
> Ryan Hill
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> To: retromobilia@xxxxxxxxxxx
> CC: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> From: r41hp@xxxxxxxxx
> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 10:12:27 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] 300F @ $200K-Reserve not met
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> John,
> Look at your Chrysler 300 Club News vol 35 no. 4, page 8-9. There are four
> photos of Ziegler at Daytona with the F. Even though this may not prove it's
> the same car, it proves the car in question at Daytona Beach was a Black
> 300F and you can even see the swivel seats in one shot!
> Cheers,
> A.M.
>
> P.S. Again, this car wasn't suddenly discovered, It's always been around.
>
> --- On Wed, 3/23/11, retromobilia@xxxxxxxxxxx <retromobilia@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
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> From: retromobilia@xxxxxxxxxxx <retromobilia@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] 300F @ $200K-Reserve not met
> To: "Bob Jasinski" <rpjasin@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Wednesday, March 23, 2011, 11:37 AM
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>
> Read the letter closely! Is there anything from the organization or the
> Manufacturer that this is the exact car the he drove in the event... or just
> "the car" that was driven for the world record. In which terminology it
> could be any so configured 300F. The fact that it was owned by the Driver
> does not prove the claim as much as we would like to think so.
>
> What makes me suspicious are: the swivel seats the the black car and lack
> of race documentation. It seems to me that in the film of the event the cars
> were all white or light colored in B & W film.
>
> I also remember in early 1990 the rash of celebrity cars which became
> available with letters from the celeb. I once almost bought a prominent "LA
> Celebrity's" 1957 TBird from a dealer which had letter of authenticity from
> the Celeb.. Later investigation provided data that there were at least 6 or
> more 57 Birds which also had such a letter from the same Celeb.. And at
> least one, it was proven, was not purchased by the celebrity and that he was
> paid for the letter. Of course few had further documentation and many proved
> questionable.
>
> I think this car should have more documentation to warrant this high price.
> Such as the factory numbers and memos concerning the results and description
> of the car....
>
> Skeptical,
>
> John
>
> J D Jung
>
> Retromobilia.net
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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> From: "Bob Jasinski" <rpjasin@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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> To: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 10:23:33 AM
>
> Subject: RE: [Chrysler300] 300F @ $200K-Reserve not met
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> John,
>
> Did you study all the photo's in the eBay listing? This car is the real
> deal, this is the car Ziegler drove to win the Flying Mile, there is a
> signed letter from Ziegler himself posted stating that fact, what better
> proof is there?
>
> Bob J
>
> From: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ]
> On Behalf Of retromobilia@xxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 8:54 AM
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> To: The Richardson Family
>
> Cc: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] 300F @ $200K-Reserve not met
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> Dan,
>
> Does it seem logical to you that the engineers would have selected for, the
> world speed beach record, a car "off the line" which had swivel seats. Or if
> they did all the race prep that they would have left that optional weight in
> the car. I would suggest that this was a / the car 'of his choice' "off the
> line" awarded to the driver after the event. Not the actual car which he
> drove. As legally slanted as, The Big Three, were at the time regarding
> special built cars like prototypes, specials and racers, being allowed in
> the public; I really doubt that the actual cars were allowed to exist.
>
> It would be great to think it. But I doubt we can enjoy more than the
> record itself....
>
> Your, any, comments or corrections would be appreciated.
>
> Regards,
>
> John
>
> J D Jung
>
> Retromobilia.net
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "The Richardson Family" < therichardsonfamily@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:
> therichardsonfamily%40comcast.net> >
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> To: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:Chrysler300%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> "Rich Barber" < c300@xxxxxxx <mailto:c300%40ez2.net> >
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> Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 7:09:17 PM
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> Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] 300F @ $200K-Reserve not met
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> Hello group:
>
> If anyone out there has a spare quarter million plus, is looking for a
> special letter car, and needs someone close by to take a look and test drive
> - I am officially offering my services, free of charge! I am only about 20
> miles from the town this car is in, and I would love to have an excuse to
> see it. I can't think of a more rare / desirable post-war American
> automobile than this one, as long as all of the claims are true. Anyway,
> that sure would be a great experience to have on my "bucket-list".
>
> Dan Richardson
>
> 300L Family Heirloom
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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> From: Rich Barber
>
> To: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:Chrysler300%40yahoogroups.com>
>
> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 1:07 PM
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> Subject: [Chrysler300] 300F @ $200K-Reserve not met
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> http://tinyurl.com/4zquf4b The Greg Ziegler car is being auctioned
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> at e-Bay. Auction # 260753235698
>
> Not mine and no linkage to me.
>
> C-300'ly,
>
> Rich Barber
>
> The story:
>
> NASCAR'S All Time " Flying Mile " Record Holder 144.927 MPH {class 7}
>
> One of six 1960 300 F Specials built by Chrysler to compete at Daytona in
>
> the the Flying Mile,
>
> on the beach and in the sand.
>
> Six 300 F's were taken off the assembly line. A special team of Chryslers
>
> top Engineers were assembled.
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> In a secret and separate location they were reworked to compete in the
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> Flying Mile.
>
> They started with the engine. Installing solid lifters, special piston
>
> rings, high-lift camshaft and factory headers.
>
> Very special short ram manifolds were cast. A Pont-A-Mousson 4 speed gear
>
> box was installed.
>
> The rear axle ratio was changed to 2.93 for top end performance
>
> The cars were drastically underrated at 400 HP. {probably 475 hp}
>
> Time to go racing...Good job those Chrysler Engineers did !
>
> All six Specials show up on the beach that day. Bill France NASCAR founder
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> is the flag man that day.
>
> They place one through six. One of the most comprehensive victories by a
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> single marque in the history
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> of recorded motor-sports.
>
> This car was the winner with Daytona Super Star Greg Ziegler behind the
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> wheel.
>
> AND its a original 11,000 mile unrestored car. With the original spare in
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> the trunk. Seen a hand full of times since Gregg brought it back from
>
> Daytona in 1960. Its has the original paint and is probably one
>
> of the most historic survivor-race cars in the world. This car is
> completely
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> serviced and runs
>
> as good as it looks. Looks like a 3 year old car.
>
> It sits on the original Good Year Blue Streek racing tires that it won with
>
> on the beach ! ! !
>
> in 1960, Gregg's original NASCAR approved seat belts and a huge archive of
>
> documentation.
>
> One of the biggest Chrysler collectible cars in the world !!!
>
> A fabulous addition to any museum or collection. Joliet IL area
>
> Any Questions call Larry...815 671 8741
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