RE: [Chrysler300] 300F @ $200K-Reserve not met

[Ryan Hill <ryan_hillc300@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

I'm surprised anyone in this club has any doubt about the existence, history, and authenticity of this particular vehicle after all of the discussion and interesting stories surounding the 'specials' and including this specific car.

Ryan Hill 


 


To: retromobilia@xxxxxxxxxxx
CC: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
From: r41hp@xxxxxxxxx
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 10:12:27 -0700
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] 300F @ $200K-Reserve not met


  



John,
Look at your Chrysler 300 Club News vol 35 no. 4, page 8-9. There are four photos of Ziegler at Daytona with the F. Even though this may not prove it's the same car, it proves the car in question at Daytona Beach was a Black 300F and you can even see the swivel seats in one shot!
Cheers,
A.M.

P.S. Again, this car wasn't suddenly discovered, It's always been around.

--- On Wed, 3/23/11, retromobilia@xxxxxxxxxxx <retromobilia@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

From: retromobilia@xxxxxxxxxxx <retromobilia@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] 300F @ $200K-Reserve not met
To: "Bob Jasinski" <rpjasin@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Wednesday, March 23, 2011, 11:37 AM

 

Read the letter closely! Is there anything from the organization or the Manufacturer that this is the exact car the he drove in the event... or just "the car" that was driven for the world record. In which terminology it could be any so configured 300F. The fact that it was owned by the Driver does not prove the claim as much as we would like to think so. 

What makes me suspicious are: the swivel seats the the black car and lack of race documentation. It seems to me that in the film of the event the cars were all white or light colored in B & W film. 

I also remember in early 1990 the rash of celebrity cars which became available with letters from the celeb. I once almost bought a prominent "LA Celebrity's" 1957 TBird from a dealer which had letter of authenticity from the Celeb.. Later investigation provided data that there were at least 6 or more 57 Birds which also had such a letter from the same Celeb.. And at least one, it was proven, was not purchased by the celebrity and that he was paid for the letter. Of course few had further documentation and many proved questionable. 

I think this car should have more documentation to warrant this high price. Such as the factory numbers and memos concerning the results and description of the car.... 

Skeptical, 

John 

J D Jung 

Retromobilia.net 

----- Original Message ----- 

From: "Bob Jasinski" <rpjasin@xxxxxxxxxxx> 

To: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 

Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 10:23:33 AM 

Subject: RE: [Chrysler300] 300F @ $200K-Reserve not met 

John, 

Did you study all the photo's in the eBay listing? This car is the real deal, this is the car Ziegler drove to win the Flying Mile, there is a signed letter from Ziegler himself posted stating that fact, what better proof is there? 

Bob J 

From: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ] On Behalf Of retromobilia@xxxxxxxxxxx 

Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 8:54 AM 

To: The Richardson Family 

Cc: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 

Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] 300F @ $200K-Reserve not met 

Dan, 

Does it seem logical to you that the engineers would have selected for, the world speed beach record, a car "off the line" which had swivel seats. Or if they did all the race prep that they would have left that optional weight in the car. I would suggest that this was a / the car 'of his choice' "off the line" awarded to the driver after the event. Not the actual car which he drove. As legally slanted as, The Big Three, were at the time regarding special built cars like prototypes, specials and racers, being allowed in the public; I really doubt that the actual cars were allowed to exist. 

It would be great to think it. But I doubt we can enjoy more than the record itself.... 

Your, any, comments or corrections would be appreciated. 

Regards, 

John 

J D Jung 

Retromobilia.net 

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From: "The Richardson Family" < therichardsonfamily@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:therichardsonfamily%40comcast.net> > 

To: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:Chrysler300%40yahoogroups.com> , "Rich Barber" < c300@xxxxxxx <mailto:c300%40ez2.net> > 

Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 7:09:17 PM 

Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] 300F @ $200K-Reserve not met 

Hello group: 

If anyone out there has a spare quarter million plus, is looking for a special letter car, and needs someone close by to take a look and test drive - I am officially offering my services, free of charge! I am only about 20 miles from the town this car is in, and I would love to have an excuse to see it. I can't think of a more rare / desirable post-war American automobile than this one, as long as all of the claims are true. Anyway, that sure would be a great experience to have on my "bucket-list". 

Dan Richardson 

300L Family Heirloom 

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Rich Barber 

To: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:Chrysler300%40yahoogroups.com> 

Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 1:07 PM 

Subject: [Chrysler300] 300F @ $200K-Reserve not met 

http://tinyurl.com/4zquf4b The Greg Ziegler car is being auctioned 

at e-Bay. Auction # 260753235698 

Not mine and no linkage to me. 

C-300'ly, 

Rich Barber 

The story: 

NASCAR'S All Time " Flying Mile " Record Holder 144.927 MPH {class 7} 

One of six 1960 300 F Specials built by Chrysler to compete at Daytona in 

the the Flying Mile, 

on the beach and in the sand. 

Six 300 F's were taken off the assembly line. A special team of Chryslers 

top Engineers were assembled. 

In a secret and separate location they were reworked to compete in the 

Flying Mile. 

They started with the engine. Installing solid lifters, special piston 

rings, high-lift camshaft and factory headers. 

Very special short ram manifolds were cast. A Pont-A-Mousson 4 speed gear 

box was installed. 

The rear axle ratio was changed to 2.93 for top end performance 

The cars were drastically underrated at 400 HP. {probably 475 hp} 

Time to go racing...Good job those Chrysler Engineers did ! 

All six Specials show up on the beach that day. Bill France NASCAR founder 

is the flag man that day. 

They place one through six. One of the most comprehensive victories by a 

single marque in the history 

of recorded motor-sports. 

This car was the winner with Daytona Super Star Greg Ziegler behind the 

wheel. 

AND its a original 11,000 mile unrestored car. With the original spare in 

the trunk. Seen a hand full of times since Gregg brought it back from 

Daytona in 1960. Its has the original paint and is probably one 

of the most historic survivor-race cars in the world. This car is completely 

serviced and runs 

as good as it looks. Looks like a 3 year old car. 

It sits on the original Good Year Blue Streek racing tires that it won with 

on the beach ! ! ! 

in 1960, Gregg's original NASCAR approved seat belts and a huge archive of 

documentation. 

One of the biggest Chrysler collectible cars in the world !!! 

A fabulous addition to any museum or collection. Joliet IL area 

Any Questions call Larry...815 671 8741 

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