RE: [Chrysler300] Dot 3 / Dot 5

[christopher beilby <thelastbestgenius@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Others might/please tell me if I am wrong, but one of the biggest enemy of moisture getting into Brake Fluid, would I believe be 'heat', and I think I have mentioned before that if 300 owners are having huge moisture problems, then unless driving the bejusus out of their 300s, racing weekends etc, one culprit might be the drum brake shoes are adjusted out too close/tight to the drum, so they drag badly?
 
Cars have had drum brakes since the 20s-30s, and to my knowledge, they usually did not get much service re religious fluid changes, nor did they rust out wheel cylinders every 2 years?! But I might be wrong. But sure as s***, if you have your brake shoes out too tight against the drum, you will near barbecue your linings/drums. tire rims etc in just simple local drives - and they boy, as all those babies cool down - 'suck suck suck' any moisture in the air into the brake fluid!!!  And then those cylinders sure will rust. 

Today, the art of adjusting drums gets daily less and less known/seen, and too often I see drum brakes where when you jack a wheel, it fights you to turn it, will not spin for even quarter a turn. And that will cause major heat, never mind lousy gas mileage??!! 
(I adjust drum brakes so you just hear the shoes hit the drum most faintly on one full turn - not so they hit all the way round - just once anywhere enough to hear it.
You then stab the brake pedal real hard/sharp, to centre the shoes again after asdjusting, then see if still hear any shoe touching. If not, bring each shoe closer until you hear it touch, then stab pedal again, until it eventually/finally makes no difference after each adjustment.  Others might know better ways - if so, speak up please.) 
 
Now re Silicone - I have never used it, but can fully understand it will never harm paint - I use trans fluid in conv top motors for that exact same reason. But like those who say only discs will work on 300s, I say I am quite happy with 'non silicone fluids' and front drums on my 300Cs. And with today's crazy 'non speed' limits, my Lamborghini, XKE Roadster etc are still on non Silicone. My drum braked cars will lock/slide the best 'non performance/non race' street radials on good hotmix, so how will going discs on my 300Cs do any better?!
 
And a final one - I have maybe offended one/some re earlier comments on this site  - once I praising America for it's Soldiers' current bravery and sacrifices, which Australia still owes a WWII debt to America for in the Pacific etc, only to be taken on for (apparently to him!!!?) saying the opposite?! I was sorry I was so misunderstood by one, but it shows this site is best for 300 stuff, but also that if one errs, then this site should always be a site that allows 'motoring/300 offered opinions', not that the site only allow what some say/believe is their one/only view?! - after all, we need not all agree?! 
Isn't that what democracy should be about - all can say what they think, but not all should have to have only one choice, or remain silent if believing something else is genuinely worth considering/saying?!
At this time, I stick with 'non silicone', but that does not say some time down the track, that I might go 'silicone', if my experiences show that it worthwhile then.
 
Christopher in Australia, gas prices painfull, last month regularly over $6 gal for 90 octane, $7plus for better 95 rating
(good to see TV news here showing a US Major (Chevy) advertising at SuperBowl, quite a good concept too in this still new century, 'see/drive America in an old favourite - Chevrolet??!' - we don't want to see any more US Icons/Nameplates lost/finished, even if they not our loved hemis/Mopars?) 
 
 


To: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
From: c300c@xxxxxxx
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 23:59:43 -0500
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Dot 3 / Dot 5


  




Ok, Mike, Ron and the anonymous person who answered me,

Consider me enlightened, as I now see many (some) in this group are so 
narrow minded as to pounce on a slip of the tongue from some source in the 
distant past and consider it "political". No politics involved in Chrysler 
and Fiat merging, is there?

I agree this listserver is for discussions of our 300s and occasionally 
other related Mopars, but is not a sounding board for some to crucify another 
member for a slight slip-up.

If you are in this thin-skinned or narrow minded bunch, just please keep 
your mouth shut and your keyboard silent if your message doesn't concern 
Chrysler 300s.

Thank you, Gary Hagy




In a message dated 2/7/2011 6:51:20 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
MJRAGUSE@xxxxxxx writes:

It is the 55 states...Obama has on several occasions referred to the US as 
having 57 states..He is of course referring to the Arab states...of which 
there are 57. The reference was to 55 states which I think was meant to be 
57..That's it..



In a message dated 2/7/2011 8:48:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
c300c@xxxxxxx writes:

Ok, ok, ok. I've read all the references to "political opinions" in this 
email and after reading it for the umpteenth time, I fail to find any 
political references. Please enlighten me or shut up.

300'ly, Gary Hagy

In a message dated 2/7/2011 6:19:16 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
_ronstewart31@xxxxxxxxxx (mailto:ronstewart31@xxxxxxxxx) writes:

no need to offer politics on this site keep yor opions to yor self c300 ron

On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 9:43 PM, Herb <_zephyr9900@xxxxxxxxxxxx 
(mailto:zephyr9900@xxxxxxxxxxx) > wrote:

>
>
> Again if you do proper maintenance you WILL NOT have a problem!! By the 
way
> the same moisture that is in DOT 3-4 is in DOT 5 it just sinks to the
> lowest
> point and sits there as opposed to DOT 3-4 that holds it in suspension 
and
> is gone when you bleed your brakes. Not sitting at the low spots unable 
to
> be bleed out like as with DOT 5. Another post talked of the boiling point
> of DOT 3-4 over DOT 5. Todays DOT 4 has just short of the same boiling
> quality's as DOT 5. To address the boiling, unless he is racing on a 
track
> his problem is unrelated to fluid!! If your brakes are getting so hot 
that
> your boiling fluid you need to find a real mechanic to do your brakes
> because quite frankly whom ever did them knows not what they are doing.
> Bottom line, the perceived benefits from DOT 5 are just not there in a
> street car in the lower 48 or lower 55 states, if your a fan of mr 
obama. I
> have many years of experience with both fluids, and have never been
> convinced that the added expense reaped any justifiable benefit. Is 
there
> any thing wrong with DOT 5, NO, other than the silicone impregnates all
> rubber parts and creates a mess if you want to switch back. Is there any
> thing wrong with DOT 3 or 4, NO, if you change it like your supposed to
> during normal preventative maintenance! Brakes are like transmissions out
> of sight out of mind until there is a problem. Then we try to find
> something to blame, other than our selves, and what is the easiest thing?
> Fluid! That is why there is such an after market for wonder fluids!! All
> stemmed from personal denial. Why do you have sludge in your engine? You
> did not change your fluid! Why do you have a burned up transmission? You
> did not change your fluid! Why do you have rusted brake components & 
lines?
> You did not change your fluid! SO, Pay now and change your fluids or Pay
> more latter!
>
>
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: _mgoodknight@xxxxxxxxx (mailto:mgoodknight@xxxxxxxx) 
> Date: 2/4/2011 7:14:40 PM
> To: _zephyr9900@xxxxxxxxxxxx (mailto:zephyr9900@xxxxxxxxxxx) 
> Cc: _2HsandaHeritage@xxxxxxxxxxxx (mailto:2HsandaHeritage@xxxxxxxxxxx) ; 
_chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (mailto:chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) 
> Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Dot 3 / Dot 5
>
> If you haven't lived in Florida or other damp coastal areas it might be
> difficult to appreciate the deficiencies of Dot 3 for use in 
"occasionally
> used" vehicles.
> ---------------Marshall
>
>
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: Herb <_zephyr9900@xxxxxxxxxxxx (mailto:zephyr9900@xxxxxxxxxxx) >
> To: <_2HsandaHeritage@xxxxxxxxxxxx (mailto:2HsandaHeritage@xxxxxxxxxxx) 
>, "Chrysler 300 List"
> <_chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (mailto:chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) >
> Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Dot 3 / Dot 5
> Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 15:47:20 -0600
>
>
> DOT 5, WHY????? Please send your extra unneeded money to me, I sure can 
use
>
> it on my 300H!! Use DOT 4 and save your time and money, there is NO
> advantage to DOT 5 in Fair Oaks, CA! Now if you lived in Fair Banks, 
Alaska
>
> , maybe a slim chance. Just change the fluid every 30,000 miles with DOT4
> as your supposed to, and you will never have a fluid problem.
>
>
>
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: _2HsandaHeritage@xxxxxxxxxxxx (mailto:2HsandaHeritage@xxxxxxxxxxx) 
> Date: 2/4/2011 10:51:28 AM
> To: Chrysler 300 Club International
> Subject: [Chrysler300] Dot 3 / Dot 5
>
>
>
>
> Hi Group,
>
> The rear brake assemblies on my new 300 Sport are severely corroded due 
to
> leaking wheel cylinders and long storage.
>
> I have decided to switch from Dot 3 to Dot 5 brake fluid.
>
> My procedure will be to remove all wheel cylinders and hoses, remove ,
> disassemble and clean the master cylinder, blow out the steel tubing 
with
> compressed air and flush the tubing with a solvent.
>
> I will then install new wheel cylinders and hoses, add Dot 5 and bleed 
the
> system.
>
> Any comments or suggestions on this procedure?
>
> What should I use to flush the steel tubing?
>
> Thank in advance,
>
> Doug Warrener
>
> Fair Oaks, CA
>
> 300H
>
> 300 Sport Conv.
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