Re: [Chrysler300] Auction Results/California Dreamin'

[Josh Mishler <mister300d@xxxxxxxxx>]

Well, without offending anyone, I would say this is because it is easier to find a nicely restored '57 300-C convertible than it is to find an outstanding Dodge or DeSoto drop top.  I believe that since the 300-C was such a special car when new, people tended to keep them around and not junk them.  Plus, once the big push was on for '50's collector cars the 300-C and 300's in general were the cars that many collectors purchased and restored.  Think about it, I have been to far more collections and auctions where there has been a 300-C convertible and not a DeSoto, Dodge, or Plymouth for that matter.  You can disagree if you want, thats just a theory I have.
As for the Cadillac's, well I can tell you that the '57 Eldorado Biarritz that he had was an absolutely gorgeous car.  I am a Mopar guy and I would have bought that Biarritz over the C convertible.  When the Biarritz was new it had a base price of $7286 plus options! and while they did build 1800 of them, they are just as highly sought after as a number of Mopar drop tops.  So while there may have been less 300-C convertibles built, there are still alot of collectors that look at the Cadillac as a status symbol.   While the base model Caddy convertible did sell for more than the 300, this could be because it suffers much of the same problem the 300 does.  More of the "Special" Biarritz's survived than the series '62 convertibles.  Think about something: how many '57 New Yorker convertibles have you seen compared to 300-C convertibles?  
I realize that everything I wrote does not totally justify the prices paid for a number of the cars, but I do think it is a fairly accurate reason why these prices were paid.  Whatever you do, just take this as my opinion. 
300ly,
Josh Mishler
 


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From: christopher beilby <thelastbestgenius@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: c300@xxxxxxx; chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sun, October 25, 2009 7:50:24 AM
Subject: RE: [Chrysler300] Auction Results/California Dreamin'

  

Two thoughts, questions?! 

ONE - the 300C convertible only ('only'??!) making about $125k, versus Dodge, DeSoto, etc Mopar converts that made $50k more, around $175k - which would be the nicer better car to drive hard, have a better quality (leather interior,etc) , etc?? 

(the '57 New Yorker convert having only 17 miles on it, expains that high price, the Adventurers' prices also somewhat understandable, but were the Plymouth prices new highs?!)

Are 300s now/becoming less valued than their cheaper brethern?
TWO. the pink '57 Cadillac Biarritz, nice somewhat rare car, but to make twice what paid for the way more outstanding performance similarly expensive/more rare 300C convert?!!, 

BUT THEN MORE QUESTIONINGLY - how can a cheaper base model Series 62 '57 Cadillac convert bring more than $200k  ??!!!  Anyone know why this base model Cad Convert ended so high.  I mean the 57 Pontiac Sedan (that ended up near $200k?) was the actual '57 Zink Daytona Flying Mile record car, that made hemi 300Cs look a little lame that year, that explaining why this '57 Pontiac ended so high.

Anyhow, whatever questions re any results, overall looks like any/all '57 mopar 2 doors and converts are (still/more) amongst the hotter 2009 collectibles, no matter the poor economy to date.

The other (to me) suprising thing was as someone else already pointed out, every car bar about one sold, and seemingly sold for good money, except maybe the 300C was low, unless it for some reaon not a good car?

Who is buying these cars - 'users' like many 300 owners might be, or 'collectors' , maybe more trying to finish having 'one of each' of the rarer ones, rather than the hotter/better to drive ones? Be a pity if 300s likewise also become more things 'to own', rather than things to (also/mainly) drive/use/enjoy? !

Christopher Australia

To: chrysler300@ yahoogroups. com
From: c300@xxxxxxx
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 21:27:15 -0700
Subject: [Chrysler300] Auction Results/California Dreamin'

I found a way to transmit all results of today's Mecum auction (I hope).
Some apparent bargains in this list. I put this into an Excel spreadsheet
and was able to alphabetize by brand and calculate a total of $6,487,600
There is no sales price posted for Lot 22, a '57 Dodge wagon. Too bad a
gazillionaire couldn't have bought the whole schmeer.

I feel very fortunate to have had the opportunity to view this collection
before it was broken up. I hope the owner is able to use the cash generated
to good advantage in Branson. 'Twould be interesting to know how many
multiple sales were made to single individuals or entities.

Several "heavy hitter" members of both Chrysler 300 clubs have extensive
collections of Chrysler 300's. I count 19 different classic letter cars
(counting coupes and convertibles separately), plus the Hurst, Cordoba and
'62-'71 Sport models-maybe another 25-30. It would be a dream come true if
someone could find the space to house one of each body style and perhaps
show vehicles there on loan or consignment and make them available for study
and documentation to our members and for general paid viewing by the adoring
public. Heck, the basement of Dick Clark's theatre is probably going to be
available soon and we know there is room for at least 72 cars there--plus a
fire truck. 300 Heaven?? Brutes in the Basement? Letter Rip?

This is a call to the "heavy hitters" to step up to the plate and create a
showplace for our favorite iron.

California Dreamin'
Rich Barber
Brentwood, CA
1955 Chrysler 300
(Visited the private collection of a gazillionaire today with the California
Chrysler Products Club and the local Imperial Club)--dozen or so Ferrari's,
Mu$tangs & GT40, Corvette$, very nice '59 Plymouth conv with dual quads, '47
Dodge Woody Wagon(custom made--not by factory) Packard$, Diamond T, $inger,
Lincoln$, Buick$, Caddy, Goat, 442, 1,000 gallon fire truck, one old Indian
MC, entire set of nuts & bolts bins from an Ace hardware store & etc. All
concours quality. Owner seems to be just folks.)

Line Listings for ALL Lots 
Lot Year Make Model Sold Price
Saturday 
S69 1957 Austin Taxi Cab $27,500 
S19 1957 Buick Century Convertible 364/300 HP, Automatic
$115,000 
S8 1957 Buick Roadmaster Convertible 364/300 HP, Automatic
$145,000 
S41 1957 Buick Special Convertible 364/250 HP, Automatic
$102,500 
S29 1957 Buick Super Convertible 364/300 HP, Automatic $195,000 
S56 1957 Cadillac DeVille Convertible 365/300 HP, Automatic
$245,000 
S55 1957 Cadillac Eldorado Biarritz Convertible 365/325 HP,
Automatic $210,000 
S71 1957 Cadillac Flower Car $2,850 
S1 1957 Chevrolet Bel Air Convertible 283/245 HP, Automatic
$110,000 
S59 1957 Chevrolet Black Widow 150 Replica 283/270 HP FI,
3-Speed $50,000 
S12 1957 Chevrolet Cameo Pickup 283/220 HP, Automatic
$65,000 
S15 1957 Chevrolet Corvette Convertible 283/270 HP, 4-Speed
$135,000 
S26 1957 Chevrolet El Morocco Convertible $230,000 
S27 1957 Chevrolet El Morocco Hardtop $135,000 
S70 1957 Chevrolet Limousine $35,000 
S32 1957 Chevrolet Nomad Station Wagon 350 CI, 5-Speed
$77,500 
S9 1957 Chrysler 300c Convertible 392/375 HP, Automatic
$125,000 
S7 1957 Chrysler Dual Ghia Convertible 315/260 HP, Automatic
$300,000 
S5 1957 Chrysler Imperial Convertible 392/325 HP, Automatic
$120,000 
S28 1957 Chrysler New Yorker Convertible 392/325 HP, Automatic
$195,000 
S35 1957 Chrysler New Yorker Station Wagon 392/325 HP,
Automatic $25,000 
S3 1957 Cushman Eagle Motorcycle 8 HP, 2-Speed $7,500 
S61 1957 DeSoto Adventurer Convertible 345/345 HP, Automatic
$250,000 
S18 1957 Desoto Adventurer Hardtop 345/345 HP, Automatic
$110,000 
S39 1957 DeSoto Firedome Convertible 341/295 HP, Automatic
$125,000 
S25 1957 DeSoto Fireflite Convertible 341/295 HP, Automatic
$145,000 
S37 1957 DeSoto Firesweep Station Wagon 392/325 HP, Automatic
$25,000 
S16 1957 Dodge Coronet Convertible 325/245 HP, Automatic
$90,000 
S4 1957 Dodge Custom Royal Lancer Convertible 325/310 HP, 3-Speed
Automatic $190,000 
S22 1957 Dodge Sierra Station Wagon 325/245 HP, Automatic 
S44 1957 Dodge Sweptside Pickup 315/204 HP, Automatic $75,000 
S45 1957 Ford Country Sedan Station Wagon 292/212 HP, 3-Speed
$35,000 
S72 1957 Ford Courier Station Wagon Coroner Car $25,000 
S50 1957 Ford Custom Cab Pickup 272/171 HP, 4-Speed $43,000 
S47 1957 Ford Fairlane 500 Convertible 312/270 HP, 3-Speed
$85,000 
S48 1957 Ford Fairlane 500 Skyline Retractable Hardtop 312/300 HP,
3-Speed $130,000 
S58 1957 Ford Fireball Roberts Race Car 312/300 HP $35,000 
S49 1957 Ford Ranchero Pickup 312/245 HP, 3-Speed $30,000 
S46 1957 Ford Thunderbird Convertible 312/270 HP, Automatic
$82,000 
S13 1957 GMC Suburban Pickup 347/206 HP, Automatic $64,000 
S14 1957 Herter Duofoil Flying Fish Deluxe Boat And Trailer Designed
by Sportsman George L. Herter $25,000 
S23 1957 Hudson Hornet Hollywood 2-Door Hardtop 327/255 HP,
Automatic $60,000 
S68 International Farmall Cub Tractor 59.5 CI $6,000 
S34 1957 International Harvester Pickup Golden Anniversary, 220/113
HP, 4-Speed $52,500 
S20 1957 Lincoln Mark II 2-Door Hardtop 368/300 HP, Automatic
$60,000 
S17 1957 Lincoln Premiere 2-Door Hardtop 368/300 HP, Automatic
$45,000 
S11 1957 Lincoln Premiere Convertible 368/300 HP, Automatic
$60,000 
S53 1957 Mack Firetruck $37,000 
S66 1957 Mercury 100 Pickup 223/139 HP, 3-Speed $46,000 
S62 1957 Mercury Indy 500 Pace Car Convertible 368/290 HP, Automatic
$162,500 
S67 1957 Mercury Montclair Convertible 368/290 HP, Automatic
$135,000 
S63 1957 Mercury Monterey Convertible 312/255 HP, Automatic
$92,500 
S64 1957 Mercury Turnpike Cruiser 2-Door Hardtop 368/290 HP,
Automatic $37,500 
S65 1957 Mercury Voyager Station Wagon 368/290 HP, Automatic
$55,000 
S24 1957 Nash Ambassador Custom 2-Door Hardtop 327/255 HP,
Automatic $42,000 
S57 1957 Nash Metropolitan Convertible 42 HP, 3-Speed $33,000 
S43 1957 Oldsmobile 88 Convertible 371/300 HP, Automatic
$100,000 
S38 1957 Oldsmobile 98 Convertible 371/300 HP, Automatic
$107,500 
S2 1957 Oldsmobile Super 88 Convertible 371/277 HP, Automatic
$140,000 
S54 1957 Packard Clipper Country Sedan Station Wagon, 289/275 HP,
Auto $47,500 
S51 1957 Plymouth Belvedere 2-Door Hardtop 301/215 HP
$47,000 
S40 1957 Plymouth Belvedere Convertible 301/215 HP, Automatic
$72,500 
S52 1957 Plymouth Belvedere Police Car 230/132 HP, Automatic
$12,000 
S42 1957 Plymouth Fury 2-Door Hardtop 318/290 HP, Automatic
$105,000 
S31 1957 Pontiac Bonneville Convertible 347/315 HP, Automatic
$172,500 
S60 1957 Pontiac Chieftain John Zink Co. Record Setter, 347/317 HP
Tri Power, 3-Speed $192,500 
S30 1957 Pontiac Safari Station Wagon 347/270 HP, Automatic
$80,000 
S33 1957 Pontiac Star Chief Convertible 347/290 HP, Automatic
$140,000 
S21 1957 Rambler Custom Station Wagon 196/125 HP, Automatic
$27,500 
S6 1957 Steyr-Daimler Puch Motorcycle $2,750 
S36 1957 Studebaker Golden Hawk 2-Door Hardtop 289/275 HP,
Automatic $50,000 
S10 1957 Studebaker Transtar Pickup 259/170 HP, 3-Speed
$50,000 
Total:
$6,487,600


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