Chris and All:
Chris, I must take issue with your use of Owen's 390HP 300C as an example
for your argument that a car could be considered a "fake" if not returned to
the way it was advertised. At least I think that is what you were trying to
say. In fact, I did not follow your reasoning at all on that. That is not my
point, though. Owen's car was produced at the Chrysler Jefferson Assy Plant
equipped with the special Performance Package which included the 390HP engine
and 3 speed manual transmission. That FACT is documented by the microfilm
with the special camshaft notation, and later by Chrysler engineer Mike
Kollins' letter including Owen's 300C VIN in a recall for the 390HP camshaft
replacement. There is NO DOUBT about Owen's car, nor should there be.
The 300F (which I am getting tired of discussing, as I am sure is the case
with many members) on the other hand has not a shred of evidence it was once
equipped with a 4 speed. It has been listed in our Club records for over 20
years by the same owner without ANY mention of any special equipment, even
though the owner had acquired a genuine 300F Special later.
My concern and reason for this email is that your comments regarding Owen's
car could be interpreted in a totally inappropriate way.
300ly, Gil Cunningham
Tallahassee, FL
In a message dated 1/31/2009 9:59:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
thelastbestgenius@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:
If I know a car was built from something it never was, I regard that as a
fake, will call it that if appropriate. (Like a 6 cylinder Chevelle body car
passed of as a factory 454 LS-6 SS 4 speed car, is to me a 'fake'.)
However since posting my bit about fakes just earlier, I am back inside out
of the noonday heat, and have thought about the current 300F, that I think
some are getting close to calling fake on the Club Website, and perhaps maybe
caution for the Club is appropriate?!
And I say this mindful not that long ago the Club was apparently approached
to give rough valuations on some 300s that belonged to the widow of a 300
Member?!
This matter I believe may have turned a bit unfortunate for the Club having
only some very small involvement in a situation where perhaps the advice,
valuations given, (supposedly from the Club?!), favoured people who I believe
acted only honourably in purchasing the two 300 convertibles, but has now been
seen to be so unusual, perhaops favourable to the purchasors, that it is now
a feature story in Old Cars Weekly, this story being drawn to our attention
by a nearby Member on this site just a short time ago?!
And now we have another perhaps 'Club tread with care' situation, if we as a
Club endorse calling a 300F convertible (outright fake/whatever) that has
maybe/likely had some specifications maybe changed?!
Why -well consider for eg - I think Owen Gregg has a 300C 390 hp car that at
some later stage had a torqueflight put in, yet was/is a true manual car.
And yet if this car had been advertised as a (then) auto before Owen bought it,
and he put a manual back in it, that would not be correct grounds for
calling it a fake?!
So all I maybe suggest that the Club needs more than knowing the now manual
300F convert had an auto in it when seen by some Members in the 80s to now
state it 'was never a manual' before that?! And that that also makes the
complete car as it is now "fake"?
I am not suggesting anything re any of the people or claims flying, just
that maybe the Club not get too involved re using word 'fake' unless it
irrefutably proven?! If however the seller is trying to represent it ONLY as exact
other car that has a known VIN, then the Club maybe not need be so careful?
I have a car with a handwritten 3 page owner's history, that now near 30
years later people question some of what was written in it, and resultingly I
have recently backed away from claiming it (irrefutably 100%) true. And yet
when I find my car has a 6V supercharger boost solenoid, and have read on a
page in this handwritten history, that they owned an earlier 300, then it makes
me think maybe what they wrote is indeed true. Otherwise who would use what
I believe is the 6V switch off their former 1955 300, which were 6Vs, in
trying 'sometime whenever' to bogus up a supposed supercharged new 12V 1957 300C?
Surely the odds of this happening beggar reality?!
( Yet if late 1956, they only having maybe 3 weeks over Christmas holiday
period to get the car finished/sorted before Daytona, re-using their old 6V
switch makes perfect sense, rather than finding/getting complete new 12V one in
time they had, in Christmas backblocks of Wisconsin? )
As I said before, it would pay the Club, or someone authorised by the Club,
to try and document every odd 300, be it 390hp 300C, 300F short rams, any
other rare more sought after 300, plus anything re any Factory work/Involvement,
and where and when this may have taken place?!
Keep what found secret (but on Club record) if desired to prevent fakes, but
have some system of stating what, if the Club is to be involved on this
site, elsewhere, in naming things 'fake' ?!
Christopher -now well way more than enough from me on this topic
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