RE: [Chrysler300] 6V Jump Starter

["Rich Barber" <c300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi, John:

 

Good points, as always.  I had a battery die and needed one in a hurry, so I
bought a regular Group 2, then purchased the Group 2XHD.  I did shop the
Packard site and found a distributor that stocked the 6-Volt Optima, but not
available in a timely manner.  Maybe next time.  I found the Packard battery
box a little hokey as well as being built ass-backwards and I have read on
the server that the overpriced "MoPar" and "AUTOLITE" reproduction batteries
are not particularly long-lived, nor period-correct.

 

I am in the process of reassembling a starter relay that I overhauled.  The
contact points were not too bad and the little coil had the typical fine
transformer wire winding that should hold up OK under 12-Volts.  Now I need
to figure out how to rivet the cap and base back together.  I drilled out
the base of the two hollow rivets for disassembly and new rivets are not
available at Walgreen's.  This is not real critical as nothing is mounted to
the base plate and the mounting bolts will keep the assembly intact.  But,
any ideas on replacement hollow brass rivets?  Ever seen the inside of a
starter relay?  I have a series of shots if they would be of interest to
you.

 

Excellent point on starter fluid.  I do recall getting a little high and a
hydrocarbon headache from the ether in starting fluid.  And it makes a nice
little pop when it backfires.  I only keep about a pint of gas in a secured
plastic gas can in the trunk and bought a pistol-grip oilcan to shoot the
gasoline where I want it.  I'll get a can of starter fluid today and replace
my rinkydink system.  Maybe some day I'll solve the mystery of the vanishing
fuel.  I'll probably overhaul the cars this winter and I'm told the fuel
chambers have screws in the bottom of them that can leak the carb fuel down
into the manifold.

 

Any deep thoughts on multivis oil for the old hemi?  The 750# of pig iron
doesn't seem to be too picky about its fuel and oil. 

 

C-300'ly,

Rich Barber

Brentwood, CA

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From: johnl [mailto:john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 10:51 AM
To: 'Johan Vastsater'; Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Rich Barber
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] 6V Jump Starter

 

Some replies to Rich Barber's comments:

 

I have also use 12 volts to crank one, but always worry about the starter
relay on the fender.  These things are really getting difficult to find.

 

As far as batteries I always try to use the Optima 6 volt.  These are
strange looking, but through the Packard International Club
http://www.packardsinternational.com/ you can purchase a battery box that
looks pretty much like an original tar top 6 volt battery.  There are two
versions they offer and I think the more correct looking one is about
$75.00.  The Optima fits in on a diagonal and the top comes off and on for
access.  The only change is the terminal locations are reversed, thus you
need a little longer ground cable.

 

The 12 volt Optima batteries are available at Costco here in the USA for
about $100.  I've never seen a 6 volt example there as it is a much smaller
market.  For years I've used nothing but Optima's in our collector cars with
great results.

 

I've heard the stories about the 8 volt systems, but understand there are
issues with certain components on our Chryslers in doing this.

 

Last, Rich I would recommend you carry some starter fluid rather than
gasoline.  Much less chance of an accident and you can get a nice high while
cranking with the stuff !!  

 

John Lazenby

 

1955 Chrysler New Yorker Deluxe Town & Country
1955 Imperial Newport
1955 Chrysler C300 Tango Red
1956 Chrysler 300B Cloud White
1957 Chrysler 300C Coupe Raven Black
1960 Chrysler 300F Coupe Alaskan White
1963 Volkswagen Beetle Black
2001 BMW ///M5 (A Modern Super Car)
http://www.bmwmregistry.com/models.php?id=10 

 

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Rich Barber <mailto:c300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>  

To: 'Johan Vastsater' <mailto:300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>  ; Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 

Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 10:22 AM

Subject: RE: [Chrysler300] 6V Jump Starter

 

Hi, Johan & all:

I have looked for a 6-V jump start pack but found none. I jump started many
6-Volt cars with 12-Volt batteries back in the Midwest winter 50's when the
12-Volt battery Voltage was probably lower due to the cold weather. I have
jump started mine with 12-Volts, but feel this could be damaging to the
ignition and/or charging system. I also recall some cars like the big old
straight-eight Packards had 8-Volt systems. The 6-Volt light bulbs usually
were rated at 6-8 Volts and I imagine the few accessories on a C-300 would
work just fine on 8 Volts. The radio and fuel gauge are questionable.
Whether the generator and Voltage regulator could be set up to keep the
battery charged is beyond my expertise or memory, but seems it could be
done.

I do keep a second full-charged 6-Volt battery in the trunk for emergencies.

I'm sure you have seen all the electrical tips for our C-300's, but to
review:

Positive and negative cables size to be proper and connections corrosion
free. Voltage regulator and/or trickle charger set to keep a full charge on
the system. Perhaps a multi-viscosity oil for cold Swedish climate. 

I have found a Group 2 battery that has some extra power. It is a
Workaholic (By Interstate Batteries) Group 2XHD, 600 CCA, 750 CA. You might
be able to find something similar at a boat or recreational vehicle dealer.

If I can keep some gasoline in the carbs, the car starts well. I have not
yet solved the incredible disappearing gasoline problem, but a hot block
tends to evaporate the fuel from the glass bowls and carb bowls and requires
removal of the air cleaner and priming the carbs with gasoline to get a hot
start after sitting a while.

C-300'ly,
Rich Barber
Brentwood, CA
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On
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Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 8:38 AM
To: Chrysler300@ <mailto:Chrysler300%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Chrysler300] 6V Jump Starter

Hi all in 300 land,

My C300 sometimes cranks pretty slow on the starter and is hard to start. No
doubt why they changed to 12V for '56.
In pictures of other club members C300's I can see some have 8V batteries.
Anybody having good experience from these?
I have been looking for a 6V Jump Starter to have in the car as a backup
when going on trips but I can not find any other than 12 or 24V.
Is there someone out there who knows where to find one for 6 volt?

Thanks!

Johan Vastsater
Sweden
C300 (6V)
Opel Kapitan '59 (6V)

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