Regardless of any theories involved in the engineering of the Torsion Bar system I believe that the bars do move. If they don't, what is the purpose of the clip? If they don't need to move then what is the purpose of the grease and the seal to keep the grease in place? Manufactures don't spend a penny on materials or an engineers time that they don't have to. I challenge anyone to remove the clips and the seals from their Torsion Bars and drive their cars on broken pavement and gravel roads as they were when new. I trust that anyone who does will have the answer to this discussion before long. I offer my experience with bar failure. I bought a 58 Plymouth when it was 3 years old. Shortly thereafter the left bar broke. Upon inspection I found that the seal was not there and the cavity in the anchor was full of wet sand. Of course the bar was rusted solid to the anchor and was difficult to remove. I inspected the right bar and found a gob of grease behind the intact seal. You can bet I put plenty of grease in the anchor along with a new seal. No further breakage. Minnesota Marshall Red G. To send a message to this group, send an email to: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx For list server instructions, go to http://www.chrysler300club.com/yahoolist/inst.htm For archives go to http://www.forwardlook.net/300-archive/ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Chrysler300/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Chrysler300-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/