Greetings Group- My experience with auctions is limited to Silver Auctions out here in the wild west. He did a auction in Billings, Mt. a couple of years ago that I attended as I know the guy who was auctioning off his "collection" of restored, complete restorable, and parts cars, 90% Mopars. It was advertised as a "no reserve" auction- well I found out first hand how that works- the guy selling has "friends" come and bid on cars (fake bids/bidders)to either up the price to his non- existent reserve or buy them and sell them back to him. About 30+ cars were "sold" this way and this guy wound up keeping them as they didn't meet his non-reserve selling price. I lost a considerable amount of respect for both this man and Silver for this charade. With due respect to Silver I don't know if he was aware of the sellers intent to do that or not, but I think if not before the auction he must have figured it out at some point later. Unless they are cheap parts cars- watch out for the guy bidding against you- he may be a "buyer" for the seller! I feel from this experience and what I have learned from the members on this web server- If you or someone you know wants a Letter Car- get it from a member for all the above reasons and the oblivious- Thru the club the car can be documented. That is money in the bank and not in the auctioneers pocket! My nickel's worth, sorry if I drug this out.. Joe Pierce 300J+Kx3+M+others..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Owen & Jo Grigg" <ram300@xxxx> To: <chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Paul Martin" <paul_martin78ca@xxxx>; "obiwan10" <obiwan10@xxxx> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 1:39 PM Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Letter cars at RM Auctions > I was told by a person that follows auction sales , a good deal of the cars > that go to auction, are put on the block just to keep a value in the car, > not to sell. They are bid up to just below the reserve price by fake bids. > The seller takes away a proven value for future sale from the auction and > that's about all. > > Maybe others can comment if this is true or not. > > Owen > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: obiwan10 <obiwan10@xxxx> > To: <chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Paul Martin <paul_martin78ca@xxxx> > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 7:08 AM > Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Letter cars at RM Auctions > > > > I was at the RM Auction along with Bill Madden and Timo Tanskanen when > these cars went on the block. We felt at the time that these cars that were > hammered "sold" actually had not been. > > > > I noted this on a previous email missive to Listsrv a couple of months ago > when I also mentioned that it is a jungle out there when you go to the > auction and expect to do well. > > > > Someday one of these magazines or other publications that claim to give us > the straight info in their auction reports will get the courage and honesty > to do a fair and accurate expose of these business's but I will not hold my > breath. > > > > Meanwhile read them for the humor that the display but take what they say > with a dash of skepticism. > > > > Roger Schaaf > > 300 B in Calif > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Paul Martin > > To: chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 5:02 PM > > Subject: [Chrysler300] Letter cars at RM Auctions > > > > > > Check out the 3 letter cars being offered at RM > > Auction in Novi Michigan April 23-27. They look > > suspiciously like the cars from the Dr Paige > > collection that RM auctioned off in Phoenix in > > January. > > Is sombody out to make a quick return? or did they > > really sell at Phoenix? > > > > Paul Martin > > 300F > > Vancouver BC > > > > http://www.rmauctions.com/events/DS03.cfm > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > > > > > > > To send a message to this group, send an email to: > > Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > For list server instructions, go to > http://www.chrysler300club.com/yahoolist/inst.htm > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > Chrysler300-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! 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