Re: [Chrysler300] Gas chemistry

[Gary Barker <gbarker@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

AMEN   Roger,   From a native Californian thats still paying $ 2.45/ 
gal. of gas-    Gary Barker

Roger Schaaf wrote:

>I live in California and I have seen and lived the agendas of the fruitcakes
>who run our government.  No nuclear power, no coal, no oil drilling,  no
>dam's, no windmills(kills some birds).  We all yap about renewable
>resources(yea rite, ethanol that requires the planting of corn, the
>harvesting of same, the refining of same, the shipping of same and of course
>let us not forget the fuel burned and smog created to do all of this and of
>course is  sponsored by a certain "special interest" with tremendous
>political clout).  Of course we can have solar power, but when US Steel can
>smelt steel with solar power, I will be a believer.  For most of us the cost
>of solar is 5 to 10 times what other more standard methods entail. So for
>the indefinite future is doomed to providing solar heat for swimming pools
>and some hot water heaters for the home.  Once saw a bumper sticker that
>said "may all you environmentalists freeze to death in the dark".
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>So unless and until some of these tree-huggers can tell me exactly how they
>are going to make us energy independent, at a cost we can afford, and reduce
>zero smog doing it I will continue to believe Mr. Jones and Mr. Jugle have
>it absolutely correct. I cannot afford the California "feel good" BS
>anymore.  My ticker gets stressed.
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>My personal vote is for nuclear(seems to serve Japan and France well).  It
>answers most all the problems but again the wacko's (most of whom do not
>know that the cause of the 24 hour day and night cycle is the rotation of
>the Earth) think it will turn us into the next Hiroshima.  They are unaware
>that the USA has had nuclear power for the production of electricity since
>the early 50's(I can remember a plant in my home state of Nebraska at a town
>called Hallam(SP) producing nuclear power when I was a youth of 10 or 12
>years old, may still be producing for all I know).  I doubt that any
>tree-hugger in the country can give a single example of a single death in
>this country caused by nuclear power in the past 50 or 60 years.  Surprise,
>surprise some 20 to 30 percent of our power plants run off uranium, even a
>lot in Calyfornia.  A simple Google search would probably turn up 1000's of
>deaths from coal mining(not to mention the massive costs to transport it) or
>oil drilling incidents.  Want to talk about the millions who have probably
>died early from dirty air from coal powered plants?  I thought not!
>
>Roger Schaaf
>300 B California--and sometimes I do not tell people.
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>To: <hurst300@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>Cc: <lajugle@xxxxxxxxxxx>; <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 6:12 PM
>Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Gas chemistry
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> Ray, I don' t know where you live, but it probably isn't California.  Those
>of us who live here are grateful for the substantial improvement in air
>quality over the last 20 years.  Despite enormous growth and vehicle miles
>travelled, air quality has steadily improved.  As a person who is involved
>in setting vehicle tailpipe standards, all I can say about your comments is
>that you do not have your facts right, either about scrappage or stationary
>source emissions or credit programs.  I won't go into the details because it
>rarely helps when someone has their mind made up.  Not everyone is as stupid
>as you might think.  Nor is government as corrupt as you suggest.  Those of
>us in this field are doing all we can to improve air quality in an open
>deliberative process.  Perhaps on to other topics more germane to the
>purpose of this board.
>Steve Albu
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>---- Ray Jones <hurst300@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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>>The real secret is that the Tree Huggers and other environmental groups
>>consist of 3 wacky Scientists , and thousands of rumor loving idiots.
>>All  with good intentions, of course.
>>For 20 years we've had constant improvement in Auto emissions, until
>>cars almost run on smog, but they still want more. It all hides the
>>truth that the biggest producers are the power plants and other big
>>industry. They, unlike you and me, contribute heavily to the political
>>campaigns and there-by get waivers. Our gas just goes up.
>>A few years ago, Readers Digest had a story about power companies that
>>sold unused emission credits. If  they didn't produce a certain
>>chemical in their exhaust, they could sell that  to a plant that
>>produced too much of that chemical, there-by averaging the emissions.
>>This was also the basis of the CA junker buying campaign. Give you some
>>money for your old broke car and get credit for the inflated amounts of
>>emissions not produced by the car for the next 10 years. Then they just
>>gave the Gov the credits instead of fixing their emission problem.
>>Sort of like Social Security, it's not going to run out of money, there
>>is none, just IOU's for the money the Gov has spent for the last 30
>>years.
>>
>>Ray
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>>It's getting time for y'all to be polishing up your rides for the
>>Spring Meet! Be there, or be Square!  Ray
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>>On Jan 4, 2005, at 4:59 PM, L.Andrew Jugle wrote:
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>>>Isn't MTBE Methyl Tert-Butyl Ethanol???The secret is to get as many
>>>complex bonds to condition the fuel rather than explode. Tetra Ethyl
>>>Lead was an additive that slowed combustion allowing short chain
>>>hydrocarbons in higher compression fuel mixes without pre-detonating
>>>allowing longer chain hydrocarbons to burn at same time. TEL helped
>>>stabilize cracked long chains in synthetic fuels by giving longer
>>>shelf life...about two weeks!!
>>>
>>>Research numbers are results of comparing fuel explosions in
>>>comparison to pure octane (thought to be the ultimate "pure fuel"
>>>hydrocarbon). The single cylinder "engine" is fired and height of
>>>free piston determines the rating as compared to octane reading
>>>as "100". Since the tree huggers could not fathom the
>>>concept "octane rating" is now legislated. Try as they might, the
>>>environmentalists cannot seem to re-write the laws of thermodynamics.
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>>>The primary difference of classic 60's Sunoco 260 and
>>>todays "Premium" is that modified long chain hydrocarbons aren't
>>>there. The fuel physically has less weight. More heat energy is
>>>produced and lost to engine and less energy is transffered to pistons.
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>>>Miles per gallon have been sacrificed to butterfly breath.
>>>
>>>L. Andrew Jugle, Elmhurst,IL.
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