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There are 9 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: 66-68 Budd Discbrake Rotors - partnumber ??
From: Redwoodlse@xxxxxxx
2. SWAP!!!!! 57 - 58
From: paulholm <paulholm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
3. 300C Fan, Pulley and Fan Clutch Use
From: "Wayne Graefen" <wgraefen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
4. RE: 66-68 Budd Discbrake Rotors - partnumber ??
From: "Ryan Hill" <ryan_hillc300@xxxxxxxxxxx>
5. Re: 66-68 Budd Discbrake Rotors - partnumber ??
From: "Kelly Pierce" <jkrestor300@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
6. Chevrolet versus Mopar - not here, please !
From: John Hertog <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
7. Re: 66-68 Budd Discbrake Rotors - partnumber ??
From: legbrkar@xxxxxxx
8. Fw: Pictures of the '66 300 for sale
From: "Moana & Gerry Steinberg" <mopar@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
9. '66 300 for sale-pictures
From: "Moana & Gerry Steinberg" <mopar@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 14:26:31 EDT
From: Redwoodlse@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: 66-68 Budd Discbrake Rotors - partnumber ??
If it is true that these rotors are hard to find, I have a complete set of
rotors and all that stuff languishing in my parts grave yard. They are
available, cheap! Shipping costs more than the parts.
Larry W Jett
950 Woodside Road Suite 4
Redwood City CA 94061
650 368 3966
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:32:42 -0500
From: paulholm <paulholm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: SWAP!!!!! 57 - 58
Was Just swaping a few messages With Quentin and a thought
poped up in the forebrain of my aching head.
(Very high pollen index and EXtremely high Mold Index today)
AnyOne Out there with a burning urge to have 1958 valve covers???
Seems I have a nice set of 58 300-D covers and was really looking
for a nice set of 57 300-C covers. Only the coil mount is different.
So, if someone finds that they have a 57 drivers side valve cover
that they would swap for a 58 drivers side WANNA TRADE????
--
Paul Holmgren
Hoosier Corps #33, L-6
2 57 300-C's in Indy
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 14:41:46 -0500
From: "Wayne Graefen" <wgraefen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: 300C Fan, Pulley and Fan Clutch Use
This should help the fan, pulley and fan clutch questions for the 300C.
There were changes made during production. I hope the formatting holds up
for your legibility.
Without power steering, a single groove 5 11/16" O.D. pulley is used.
With PS but no air conditioning, a double groove 6.5" OD pulley is used.
With AC, a 7.125" pulley is used.
The following information is from Chrysler Engineering Tech Report #
4406.522 regarding the cooling fans and fan clutch used on the 300C. Info
is from p. 4-5 and p. 8 of the report.
Wayne
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Fan - Standard 300C
Initial Release
Fan Part Number
1735939
O.D. 18 inches
Number of Blades - 4
Projected width 1-3/4 inch
Drive - Direct (0.95:1 speed ratio)
Intermediate Change
Fan Part Number
1735941
O.D. 18 inches
Number of Blades - 6
Projected width 1-7/8 inches
Drive - Schwitzer (1.1:1 S.R.) Part No. 1851603
Final Change
Fan Part Number
1851604
O.D. 18 inches
Number of Blades - 5
Projected width 2 inches
Drive - Schwitzer (0.95:1 S.R.) Part No. 1851603
Fan - Air Conditioning
Initial Release
Fan Part Number
1555784 Spider type
O.D. 18 inches
Number of Blades - 6
Projected height 1-7/8 inches
Drive - Direct (0.95:1 S.R.)
Intermediate Change
Fan - See above Part No. 1735941
Drive - Direct (0.95:1 S.R.)
Final Change
Fan - See above Part No. 1851604
Drive - Schwitzer (1.10:1 S.R.) Part No. 1851603
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7. Fan and Fan Drive Evaluations
Fan and fan drive evaluations are included here
because of the six different combinations used throughout the production
series on the 300C Standard and 300C air conditioned cars and because of
the introduction of a limited slip clutch Schwitzer fan drive unit
(1851603).
Initially an 18 in. O.D. 4-blade fan at 0.95:1
S.R. was put into production because the desired release 6-blade fan and
Schwitzer drive (1.1:1 S.R.) were introduced together in the second or
third month of production (this was the unit checked under this project).
However, the 6-blade and 1.1:1 S.R. resulted in:
1. Excessive fan noise.
2. Excessive overspeed of generator
(14,508 generator rpm at 5200 engine rpm, assuming no slip. Generator red
line rpm is 12,000).
3. Excessive overspeed of water pump
(5720 rpm at 5200 engine rpm, resulting in possible cavitation and cooling
malfunction).
Consequently the final standard 300C equipment
consisted of a 5 bladed fan with slightly more pitch (1851604) and a
decreased speed ratio of .095:1. Air conditioned versions continued to
use the 1.1:1 S.R. with the 1851604 fan, but incorporated a lower ratio
generator drive. It would appear that a more comprehensive test should be
made of high speed water pump effects. From Curve Sheets 33, and 34 the
effectiveness of the Schwitzer Drive can be determined. The production
variation of output rpm can be seen on Curve Sheet 35.
Curve Sheet 33 indicates the effect the drive has
on the absolute engine output and the manner in which torque is affected.
Curve Sheet 34 gives a generalized comparison between a direct drive unit
at .085:1 S.R. and the Schwitzer unit at 1.1:1 S.R. The significant
results of the above data are that with the Schwitzer unit:
1. Fan speed never exceeds 2300 rpm.
2. Power requirement never exceeds 6 HP.
Whereas, with direct drive, the belt drive and
driven accessories can absorb power in excess of 17 BHP.
It should be noted that in the case of the direct
drive, added precaution of clean and tight belts were taken to assure no
belt slippage, and that this is not the actual condition in the field.
However, it is possible to transmit this much power with the released belt
drive.
The difference in power consumption between the
two different drives at 2400 rpm (2050 fan rpm) can
probably be attributed to
1. Slight differences in fan.
2. Different water pump and generator
speeds.
3. Different belts and wrap.
4. Slight power consumption of Schwitzer
Drive unit.
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 12:51:07 -0700
From: "Ryan Hill" <ryan_hillc300@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: 66-68 Budd Discbrake Rotors - partnumber ??
Plenty of power in a Chevy......sounds like an anomaly. ;)
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 21:56:57 -0600
From: "Kelly Pierce" <jkrestor300@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: 66-68 Budd Discbrake Rotors - partnumber ??
What is wrong with this picture? A "stock" crate motor? They are far from
what was put out the door in terms of stock and we all know that that was
due to the bean counters at GM as they would save every nickel they could
and that meant what went under the hood was cheap as possible. I can't
remember how many times chevvy guys have said they can rebuild their small
block twice cheaper than one Mopar small block - and they all most always
have to do it twice or three times as the durability of Mopar is leaps and
bounds higher Stock out the factory door than GM. Oh But I forget is a LS7
"stock" in a 71 Nova? Joe Pierce
----- Original Message -----
From: "D'Aloise, Lawrence Jr." <ldaloise@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: "'Herman Meiners'" <herman440@xxxxxxxxx>;
<chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 10:51 AM
Subject: RE: [Chrysler300] 66-68 Budd Discbrake Rotors - partnumber ??
> I don't know about 66 Budd disc brake rotors, but I've found plenty of
> horsepower in stock Chevy engines,eg, stock LS-7 crate motor in my 71
Nova
> dynoed at 500+ hp. Good luck in your search.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Herman Meiners [mailto:herman440@xxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 10:52 AM
> To: chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [Chrysler300] 66-68 Budd Discbrake Rotors - partnumber ??
>
>
> Hi all,
> Can anyone provide me with the partnumber for the DiscBrake Rotors used
> by Chrysler in '66-'68 made by Budd?
>
> I'm looking at the possibility of having "replacement" rotors made for
> this system. Mabe not exact replacements, but at least provide an
> usable solution when the old rotors are worn thin.
> As everyone might know, the original rotors are as easy to find as like
> finding Horsepower in a stock Chevy-engine... lol.
>
> Thanks and best regards,
> Herman Meiners
> http://drive.to/chrysler
> The Netherlands
>
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 00:11:23 -0400
From: John Hertog <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Chevrolet versus Mopar - not here, please !
Hi to all,
A kindly reminder from your friendly listserver policeman - there is
enough
strife in the world today without starting WW3 on the listserver. Please
remember that the listserver is limited to communications that pertain
DIRECTLY to Chrysler 300's; with over 400 of our members thus
interconnected, if the listserver is to remain a useful tool, we must
observe this rule.
Please feel free to continue your Bowtie vs. Mopar individually, but not
in
this forum.
John
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 00:20:34 EDT
From: legbrkar@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: 66-68 Budd Discbrake Rotors - partnumber ??
chevys..................I always wondererd why they all use the hemi in
drag
racing, I guess I'll have to ask L.Andy Jugle
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 23:18:08 -0700
From: "Moana & Gerry Steinberg" <mopar@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Fw: Pictures of the '66 300 for sale
Hi all: Received the following and pictures from Stefan Knudson wanting to
sell
a '66 300 2 dr. hdtp. The car is in Boise, Idaho. I'm just passing this
on..
Gerry Steinberg, Sierra Vista, Arizona
Hello again Moana and Gerry.... I have some pictures of the car and will
enclose them for anyone in your group who may be interested. The damage to
the hood is about it, the rest of the car looks pretty good. If you need
to know anymore about this ol' girl contact me via
e-mail me at sjk@xxxxxxxxx
as I have irregular work hours.
I'm sure someone wants to give her a good home. Also I have a rough idea
of the value but you would have a much better idea and your input would be
greatly appreciated. I would like a fair price but I don't want to gouge
anyone or get gouged in the process, a fair price for both parties.
Stefan
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 23:34:10 -0700
From: "Moana & Gerry Steinberg" <mopar@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: '66 300 for sale-pictures
Hi all: Sorry, I did not know that Yahoo does not forward attachments.
If interested you can e-mail me or Stefan and the pictures will be
forwarded.
Thanks for your understanding and tolerance.
Gerry Steinberg
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