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Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 03:21:22 -0500

Title: [Chrysler300] Digest Number 92

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There are 14 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Re: VIN De-coder,1960 Chrysler 1960.1965.
           From: Bill Johnson <bjj@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
      2. Re: VIN De-coder,1960 Chrysler 1960.1965.
           From: "Ron Waters" <ronbo97@xxxxxxxx>
      3. RE: VIN De-coder,1960 Chrysler 1960.1965.
           From: "Jim Pristelski" <ajp002@xxxxxxx>
      4. Re: VIN De-coder,1960 Chrysler 1960.1965.
           From: sherwoodk@xxxxxxx
      5. Re: VIN De-coder,1960 Chrysler 1960.1965.
           From: "Ron Waters" <ronbo97@xxxxxxxx>
      6. starter armature shaft
           From: "David Zakarian" <arshog@xxxxxxxx>
      7. galen G.
           From: "Kelly Pierce" <jkrestor300@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
      8. Re: galen G.
           From: paulholm <paulholm@xxxxxxxx>
      9. that was fun
           From: " Jim McMullan" <macthehammer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
     10. Re: galen G.
           From: Steve <goldenlion413@xxxxxxxx>
     11. Galen Govier
           From: Paul Martin <Paul_Martin78@xxxxxxxxxx>
     12. RE: VIN De-coder,1960 Chrysler 1960.1965.
           From: moparted <moparted_70@xxxxxxxxx>
     13. Re: VIN De-coder,1960 Chrysler 1960.1965.
           From: moparted <moparted_70@xxxxxxxxx>
     14. Re: VIN De-coder,1960 Chrysler 1960.1965.
           From: hurst300@xxxxxxxxxxx

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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 04:30:47 -0700
From: Bill Johnson <bjj@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: VIN De-coder,1960 Chrysler 1960.1965.

Dave,

I am not sure what is meant by "original" in this context. To my
knowledge, the so called "official" Option Code Books are the ones that
Galen Govier produces and sells. They run $15.00 each plus $4.50 postage
and handling. What throws me off is that his version starts at 1962
rather than 1960. Check out this link to his web site and you can see
what I am talking about:

http://www.gvgovier.com/whitebooks.htm

Could what you have be something that Chrysler Dealers used for sales
codes in the dealerships?

Whiteshoes

David Agnew wrote:
>
> Learned Moparpeople,
> Anyone describe to me just how an original 1960/65 decoder looks?
> My copy, bought as original comes this way.
>
> P1. Cover.
> Factory photos of 5 shots of '60's, taking up a mere half of the A4 sheet. 12-1 on bottom left.
>
> P2. ( rev of P1)
> Top heading of "NOTES".
> And 11-4 on bottom right !
>
> P3.
> VIN info. Body plate ID,etc, with 12-2 on the bottom right.
>
> P4.
> Body codes,Trim codes. 12-3 on bottom left.
>
> P5.
> Imperial trim, paint codes. 12-4 on bottom right.
>
> P6.
> Engine numbers. 12-5 on bottom left.
>
> These are all on 3 separate sheets of lily white A4 paper.
>
> Was the original stapled, joined, folded sheets, whatever? Anyone have one? Much appreciated evidence required about this nice little earn which is an outright scam, so I can snuff it out via e-Bay. If anyone cares to scan one and send it, I can take it!! And many thanks will be forthcoming.

> Thank you in advance,
> Dave in NZ.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 10:21:09 -0500
From: "Ron Waters" <ronbo97@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: VIN De-coder,1960 Chrysler 1960.1965.

Bill -

There is nothing 'official' about ANYTHING that GG sells. He is a
self-appointed expert that has decided to sell whatever knowledge he has
instead of exchanging it on listservers such as this one. Don't believe the
hype !

Ron

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Johnson" <bjj@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "David Agnew" <Fnnutz@xxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 6:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] VIN De-coder,1960 Chrysler 1960.1965.

> Dave,
>
> I am not sure what is meant by "original" in this context. To my
> knowledge, the so called "official" Option Code Books are the ones that
> Galen Govier produces and sells. They run $15.00 each plus $4.50 postage
> and handling. What throws me off is that his version starts at 1962
> rather than 1960. Check out this link to his web site and you can see
> what I am talking about:
>
> http://www.gvgovier.com/whitebooks.htm
>
> Could what you have be something that Chrysler Dealers used for sales
> codes in the dealerships?
>
> Whiteshoes
>
> David Agnew wrote:
> >
> > Learned Moparpeople,
> >     Anyone describe to me just how an original 1960/65 decoder looks?
> > My copy, bought as original comes this way.
> >
> > P1. Cover.
> > Factory photos of 5 shots of '60's, taking up a mere half of the A4
sheet. 12-1 on bottom left.
> >
> > P2. ( rev of P1)
> > Top heading of "NOTES".
> > And 11-4 on bottom right !
> >
> > P3.
> > VIN info. Body plate ID,etc, with 12-2 on the bottom right.
> >
> > P4.
> > Body codes,Trim codes. 12-3 on bottom left.
> >
> > P5.
> > Imperial trim, paint codes. 12-4 on bottom right.
> >
> > P6.
> > Engine numbers. 12-5 on bottom left.
> >
> > These are all on 3 separate sheets of lily white A4 paper.
> >
> > Was the original stapled, joined, folded sheets, whatever? Anyone have
one? Much appreciated evidence required about this nice little earn which
is an outright scam, so I can snuff it out via e-Bay. If anyone cares to
scan one and send it, I can take it!! And many thanks will be forthcoming.
> >      Thank you in advance,
> >           Dave in NZ.
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 10:05:16 -0600
From: "Jim Pristelski" <ajp002@xxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: VIN De-coder,1960 Chrysler 1960.1965.

Why doesn't someone offer copies of his copies to those on this listserver?
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Waters [mailto:ronbo97@xxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 9:21 AM
To: Bill Johnson
Cc: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] VIN De-coder,1960 Chrysler 1960.1965.

Bill -

Ron

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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 11:25:54 EST
From: sherwoodk@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: VIN De-coder,1960 Chrysler 1960.1965.

Ron/lists:

Why shouldn't Galen Govier (GG) sell his knowledge instead of sharing. He has
uncovered a great deal of info that couldn't be found anywhere. It is his
livelihood!

As for personal experience with Galen -- I will relate this personal story. I
had a 71 Dodge Hemi Charger that I had saved from an insurance salvage yard
in 1979. Totally stripped and one of 32 426 automatics. I had to sell the
hulk in 1993. It was then totally restored. Then it ended up in a bankruptcy
court in 2000. I bought my car back although stripped again. I received a
call from Galen who informed me he had found my original numbers matching
Torqueflite in Michigan. The trans hadn't been touched since pulled out of
the car in 1974 when it was traded for a 4speed trans. Galen gave me the
phone number of the man who had it (he had kept it in his data bank with my
cars serial number) and matched the number to a letter he had received 8
years ago from the man who had the trans. Now with an NOS warranty block I
have a matching number car with warranty block instead of an original car
with matching nothing. His price for all this -- nothing at all. It's just a
service he provides.

The man is entitled to make a living on the information he has developed,
stored and printed. Galen has such knowledge that he is hired as an expert
witness in fraud cases around the country (There are people who make
something that wasn't). That's his expertise. Is it any different than my
experience in construction that allows me to be an expert witness in court
and be paid, as well. Yet, I, too, have been an expert on earlier Chrysler
products -- especially early 30s Chrysler Imperials. I get paid for that,
too. I chose to do things a little differently -- I gave 13 years being
president and editor of the WPC News. Galen does his with his publications. I
make a livelihood from construction. Galen makes it from his particular
knowledge...

To all, A Happy Thanksgiving

Sherwood Kahlenberg

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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 12:18:42 -0500
From: "Ron Waters" <ronbo97@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: VIN De-coder,1960 Chrysler 1960.1965.

Sherwood/list -

Galen can do whatever he wants. If this is his livelihood and he makes a
living off this, good for him.

We are all experts on our cars to one degree or another. And we can all be
paid as 'expert witnesses' based on our knowledge and years of experience
with our cars. I just object to anything that he publishes being called
'official'. We also have no way of verifying the accuracy of his research.

Have a good turkey,

Ron

----- Original Message -----
From: <SherwoodK@xxxxxxx>
To: <ronbo97@xxxxxxxx>; <bjj@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 11:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] VIN De-coder,1960 Chrysler 1960.1965.

> Ron/lists:
>
> Why shouldn't Galen Govier (GG) sell his knowledge instead of sharing. He
has
> uncovered a great deal of info that couldn't be found anywhere. It is his
> livelihood!
>
> As for personal experience with Galen -- I will relate this personal
story. I
> had a 71 Dodge Hemi Charger that I had saved from an insurance salvage
yard
> in 1979. Totally stripped and one of 32 426 automatics. I had to sell the
> hulk in 1993. It was then totally restored. Then it ended up in a
bankruptcy
> court in 2000. I bought my car back although stripped again. I received a
> call from Galen who informed me he had found my original numbers matching
> Torqueflite in Michigan. The trans hadn't been touched since pulled out of
> the car in 1974 when it was traded for a 4speed trans. Galen gave me the
> phone number of the man who had it (he had kept it in his data bank with
my
> cars serial number) and matched the number to a letter he had received 8
> years ago from the man who had the trans. Now with an NOS warranty block I
> have a matching number car with warranty block instead of an original car
> with matching nothing. His price for all this -- nothing at all. It's just
a
> service he provides.
>
> The man is entitled to make a living on the information he has developed,
> stored and printed. Galen has such knowledge that he is hired as an expert
> witness in fraud cases around the country (There are people who make
> something that wasn't). That's his expertise. Is it any different than my
> experience in construction that allows me to be an expert witness in court
> and be paid, as well. Yet, I, too, have been an expert on earlier Chrysler
> products -- especially early 30s Chrysler Imperials. I get paid for that,
> too. I chose to do things a little differently -- I gave 13 years being
> president and editor of the WPC News. Galen does his with his
publications. I
> make a livelihood from construction. Galen makes it from his particular
> knowledge...
>
> To all, A Happy Thanksgiving
>
> Sherwood Kahlenberg
>

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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 09:44:17 -0800
From: "David Zakarian" <arshog@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: starter armature shaft

Just tried to fire up(for the first time) the C cvt. turned over a couple times and then dead shorted(I find out two hours later after trying several ideas). I find out the starter armature shaft is in two pieces and dead shorting. Sure pulls the battery down in a hurry. Anyone ever had this happen before? Just curious. Anyway the grand firing has been postponed to the first part of next week(after the rebuilder tries once more to supply a starter that will turn over more that 4 times).

Zak

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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 12:57:29 -0700
From: "Kelly Pierce" <jkrestor300@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: galen G.

Happy Holidays to all! I have to ask this as I have never seen it explained---- Who died and made G>G> god of all things Mopar? I am not being a wise guy but how is it he has all this info to document our cars and Chrysler didn't keep records to the detail he claims to have? He showed up last August at Larry Wilken's auction the day before and wanted to go thru a few of the cars for "clients" and determine if they were "correct" etc. Larry asked him to come back the morning of the sale to inspect like everyone else(I was there helping Larry get everything ready) and from what I saw and was told GG didn't want to do that and wanted to go in and do it then and there as he was a very busy man etc. Larry said no he wasn't making exceptions as it was not fair to all if he did. Some words were exchanged and he left. This left me w/ a very poor impression of GG as it appeared to me he expected to be treated special just because he was GG- Here in Montana we don't go for that attitude and various celebrities and famous people that have moved here have found that out and either learned to be a lot less holier than thou or sold out and left.

If any one out there cares to give a good explanation of how he got all this info and is it righteous? Or is it speculation based on limited info and some DMV records? I have been told by a few people that if I wanted to know how many of my Dart Conv. were built and how many were equipped like mine to contact GG. Well great, but Chrysler did not keep records of how many 1963 Dart GT Conv were built, Just how many GT's. I have written Chrysler Historical and that was their answer..... So how can he do this??!!!! Joe Pierce 300K, 300K conv, 64 sport 2drht, 64 T&C "300" 9pass s/w(one of none) 63 Dart GT Conv, and too many others!

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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 16:01:11 -0500
From: paulholm <paulholm@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: galen G.

Kelly Pierce wrote:

> Happy Holidays to all! I have to ask this as I have never seen
it explained---- Who died and made G>G> god of all things Mopar?
I am not being a wise guy but how is it he has all this info to
document our cars and Chrysler didn't keep records to the detail
he claims to have? He showed up last August at Larry Wilken's
auction the day before and wanted to go thru a few of the cars for
"clients" and determine if they were "correct" etc. Larry asked him
to come back the morning of the sale to inspect like everyone else
(I was there helping Larry get everything ready) and from what I
saw and was told GG didn't want to do that and wanted to go in and
do it then and there as he was a very busy man etc. Larry said no
he wasn't making exceptions as it was not fair to all if he did.
Some words were exchanged and he left. This left me w/ a very poor
impression of GG as it appeared to me he expected to be treated
special just because he was GG- Here in Montana we don't go for
that attitude and various celebrities and famous people that have
moved here have found that out and either learned to be a lot less
holier than thou or sold out and left.

> If any one out there cares to give a good explanation of how he
got all this info and is it righteous? Or is it speculation based
on limited info and some DMV records? I have been told by a few
people that if I wanted to know how many of my Dart Conv. were
built and how many were equipped like mine to contact GG.
Well great, but Chrysler did not keep records of how many 1963
Dart GT Conv were built, Just how many GT's.
I have written Chrysler Historical and that was their answer.....
So how can he do this??!
Joe Pierce 300K, 300K conv...

I am not sure of his "Official" source. I did read somewhere that
he did work for Chrysler for awhile, but I have no confirmation of
that.

I did run across him once or twice. His reply at the time I asked
him my first question was "I am NOT interested in those cars much,
so I don't have any information", this was when I asked a somewhat
general question concerning my 57's.

Several years later I ran across him and had a question concerning
what Ma Mopar "Might" have done concerning my oldest boys VERY
ORIGINAL 71 Fury III. (When he bought it, it had 30,240 original
miles, one owner, garage kept, and some of you folks have seen his car
when he had it at the Plymouth MI. Meet) This time since I wasn't
buying a hand full of his little white books, I got brushed off, and
the question concerned something that is not covered in the "bibles"
he sells. I do know that he is very defensive (it seems) of his
"services" and information.

I do have the impression his information is geared towards where
he can maximize his earning potential. So if there is very little
return in collecting and compiling the base info, he is not ready
to "share" it. I have also read that what he does offer, does pay
off for him one way or the other. What The Gentleman from Cal.
brought up about finding the original tranny for a car is one of
the services GG does offer for the market he addresses.

--
Paul Holmgren
Hoosier Corps #33, L-6
2 57 300-C's in Indy

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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 13:35:25 -0800
From: " Jim McMullan" <macthehammer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: that was fun

I really like this list server. You can through out a topic and sit back
and get all kinds of opinions.When I started building engines wide open throttle
Was 3000 rpm.We were working with small bore long stroke engines (under square)
and we built them tight.Babbit coated bronze bearings and high ring pressures
had to be set up tight and run in.When you bought a car back then it came with
run-in instructions.I personally would not let S.T.P.come anywhere close to a
fresh engine even today with modern engines, as I feel it would hamper break in
of the bearings and rings.It would be fine with a cam change on a engine that
was already broken in.Roger does the high pressure cam lube claim not to
interfere with break in? There used to be a parts store in the city that had a
machine shop in the back. They would build up the
block-crank-rods-pistons-and-cam.No heads or pan put on a stand in a
Plexiglass container ,Flow oil from a separate pump into the cylinders top and
bottom with the stock pump supplying oil to the bearings turn the engine
about 2 or 300 RPM with a electric motor and run it for 72 hours.This was done
in front of the parts counter .I don't know if it really worked I did not think
the oil was hot enough but it sure was fun to watch. Jim
McMullan.

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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 19:31:14 -0500
From: Steve <goldenlion413@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: galen G.

a quick comment from the peanut gallery (me)
I have never met GG but I have heard of him and none at all good. To me he sounds like one of those people who know less and talks more. I agree with an earlier comment as to the real experts are here and they got that way from experience. I my profession, people who know everything are proven wrong 99.9 % of the time and end up being the laughing stock of the office( or club or hobby). Chrysler may not have kept the records but enough people here (and in other clubs) have painstakingly restored their cars from ground up and have learned as they go, how many build sheets have been found depicting the exact specs of our cars? . I have found that by getting my hands dirty so to speak is the best way to gain knowledge! enough of my ranting and to GG I say hahahahahaha

300ly
Steve Menard
p.s.
see you all in the spring here in little R.I.

Kelly Pierce wrote:

> Happy Holidays to all! I have to ask this as I have never seen it explained---- Who died and made G>G> god of all things Mopar? I am not being a wise guy but how is it he has all this info to document our cars and Chrysler didn't keep records to the detail he claims to have? He showed up last August at Larry Wilken's auction the day before and wanted to go thru a few of the cars for "clients" and determine if they were "correct" etc. Larry asked him to come back the morning of the sale to inspect like everyone else(I was there helping Larry get everything ready) and from what I saw and was told GG didn't want to do that and wanted to go in and do it then and there as he was a very busy man etc. Larry said no he wasn't making exceptions as it was not fair to all if he did. Some words were exchanged and he left. This left me w/ a very poor impression of GG as it appeared to me he expected to be treated special just because he was GG- Here in Montana we don't go for that attitude and various celebrities and famous people that have moved here have found that out and either learned to be a lot less holier than thou or sold out and left.

> If any one out there cares to give a good explanation of how he got all this info and is it righteous? Or is it speculation based on limited info and some DMV records? I have been told by a few people that if I wanted to know how many of my Dart Conv. were built and how many were equipped like mine to contact GG. Well great, but Chrysler did not keep records of how many 1963 Dart GT Conv were built, Just how many GT's. I have written Chrysler Historical and that was their answer..... So how can he do this??!!!! Joe Pierce 300K, 300K conv, 64 sport 2drht, 64 T&C "300" 9pass s/w(one of none) 63 Dart GT Conv, and too many others!

>
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 19:41:52 -0800 (PST)
From: Paul Martin <Paul_Martin78@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Galen Govier

I used Mr Goviers services in 1999 when I bought a 68 Dodge Charger. I paid
$50 for him to decode the body plate and didn't discover anything I didn't
already know. The document I got in return was stamped with an "official"
stamp that persumably makes my one of 17,000 Dodge worth more.
I spent .50 cents on a stamp last year and sent Gil Cunningham a letter
requesting similar info on my 300F. I got back more than I bargained for
along with a nice letter from a man who doesn't pretend to have now magicly
increased the value of my car by being exposed to its roots. Thanks Gil.
I detest reading Hemmings and other ads that Read "Galen Govier Certified".
Is that like an ISO9000 certification in the mopar side of the car hobby.
I read Govier's column in High performance Mopar for a laugh to find out how
many 318 3 speed column shift 67 Fury III 2 dr hardtop with vinyl interiors
were sold without air conditioning in Florida.
Govier admitted he knows little about pre 62 cars and less about "C" body.
In a recent article he stated he did not know ifthere were any "c" body 4
speeds prior to 62. Only 9 very famous ones Mr Govier.

I feel better now.
Paul Martin
Certified Car Nut

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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 20:52:39 -0800 (PST)
From: moparted <moparted_70@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: VIN De-coder,1960 Chrysler 1960.1965.

--- Jim Pristelski <ajp002@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> Why doesn't someone offer copies of his copies to
> those on this listserver?
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ron Waters [mailto:ronbo97@xxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 9:21 AM
> To: Bill Johnson
> Cc: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] VIN De-coder,1960
> Chrysler 1960.1965.
>
>
> Bill -
>
> There is nothing 'official' about ANYTHING that GG
> sells. He is a
> self-appointed expert that has decided to sell
> whatever knowledge he has
> instead of exchanging it on listservers such as this
> one. Don't believe the
> hype !
>
> Ron
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Johnson" <bjj@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "David Agnew" <Fnnutz@xxxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 6:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] VIN De-coder,1960
> Chrysler 1960.1965.
>
>
> > Dave,
> >
> > I am not sure what is meant by "original" in this
> context. To my
> > knowledge, the so called "official" Option Code
> Books are the ones that
> > Galen Govier produces and sells. They run $15.00
> each plus $4.50 postage
> > and handling. What throws me off is that his
> version starts at 1962
> > rather than 1960. Check out this link to his web
> site and you can see
> > what I am talking about:
> >
> > http://www.gvgovier.com/whitebooks.htm
> >
> > Could what you have be something that Chrysler
> Dealers used for sales
> > codes in the dealerships?
> >
> > Whiteshoes
> >
> > David Agnew wrote:
> > >
> > > Learned Moparpeople,
> > >     Anyone describe to me just how an original
> 1960/65 decoder looks?
> > > My copy, bought as original comes this way.
> > >
> > > P1. Cover.
> > > Factory photos of 5 shots of '60's, taking up a
> mere half of the A4
> sheet. 12-1 on bottom left.
> > >
> > > P2. ( rev of P1)
> > > Top heading of "NOTES".
> > > And 11-4 on bottom right !
> > >
> > > P3.
> > > VIN info. Body plate ID,etc, with 12-2 on the
> bottom right.
> > >
> > > P4.
> > > Body codes,Trim codes. 12-3 on bottom left.
> > >
> > > P5.
> > > Imperial trim, paint codes. 12-4 on bottom
> right.
> > >
> > > P6.
> > > Engine numbers. 12-5 on bottom left.
> > >
> > > These are all on 3 separate sheets of lily white
> A4 paper.
> > >
> > > Was the original stapled, joined, folded sheets,
> whatever? Anyone have
> one? Much appreciated evidence required about this
> nice little earn which
> is an outright scam, so I can snuff it out via
> e-Bay. If anyone cares to
> scan one and send it, I can take it!! And many
> thanks will be forthcoming.
> > >      Thank you in advance,
> > >           Dave in NZ.
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 20:56:02 -0800 (PST)
From: moparted <moparted_70@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: VIN De-coder,1960 Chrysler 1960.1965.

I agree 100%. I met Galen at Englishtown a few years
ago and was part of a group that he joined for dinner.
seems like a very nice person.

--- sherwoodk@xxxxxxx wrote:
> Ron/lists:
>
> Why shouldn't Galen Govier (GG) sell his knowledge
> instead of sharing. He has
> uncovered a great deal of info that couldn't be
> found anywhere. It is his
> livelihood!
>
> As for personal experience with Galen -- I will
> relate this personal story. I
> had a 71 Dodge Hemi Charger that I had saved from an
> insurance salvage yard
> in 1979. Totally stripped and one of 32 426
> automatics. I had to sell the
> hulk in 1993. It was then totally restored. Then it
> ended up in a bankruptcy
> court in 2000. I bought my car back although
> stripped again. I received a
> call from Galen who informed me he had found my
> original numbers matching
> Torqueflite in Michigan. The trans hadn't been
> touched since pulled out of
> the car in 1974 when it was traded for a 4speed
> trans. Galen gave me the
> phone number of the man who had it (he had kept it
> in his data bank with my
> cars serial number) and matched the number to a
> letter he had received 8
> years ago from the man who had the trans. Now with
> an NOS warranty block I
> have a matching number car with warranty block
> instead of an original car
> with matching nothing. His price for all this --
> nothing at all. It's just a
> service he provides.
>
> The man is entitled to make a living on the
> information he has developed,
> stored and printed. Galen has such knowledge that he
> is hired as an expert
> witness in fraud cases around the country (There are
> people who make
> something that wasn't). That's his expertise. Is it
> any different than my
> experience in construction that allows me to be an
> expert witness in court
> and be paid, as well. Yet, I, too, have been an
> expert on earlier Chrysler
> products -- especially early 30s Chrysler Imperials.
> I get paid for that,
> too. I chose to do things a little differently -- I
> gave 13 years being
> president and editor of the WPC News. Galen does his
> with his publications. I
> make a livelihood from construction. Galen makes it
> from his particular
> knowledge...
>
> To all, A Happy Thanksgiving
>
> Sherwood Kahlenberg
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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 23:16:10 -0600
From: hurst300@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: VIN De-coder,1960 Chrysler 1960.1965.

Hi All;
I don't think copyright comes into play here, it's not his original
work. He has copied the info from Chrysler info. It's their original
work.
At best, you might have to rearrange the info so it's not a direct copy.
Pete Fitch would know for sure.

This may be a nice project for our club, since GG dosen't go back before
'62. We have many in the club who can decode various years buildsheets.

See ya in RI, don't forget!
Ray Jones

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