Re: {Chrysler 300} Jay Leno “Assess and Caress” Episode

I always preferred the G for both cosmetics and engineering. I much prefer the trunk lid on the G to the F (won't call it a toilet seat). I think the ribbed dash on the G is nicer than the flat F (and it goes with the ribs on the trunk lid). Going back to 15" wheels to fill up those wheel wells is also better on the G, and I most certainly prefer an alternator to a generator. I also like the background of the dash and the face of the clock and radio. Guess that's why they make chocolate and vanilla, right?

Totally agree on the ever weakening dollar skewing 'prices' and 'value'. A 4 year old Hellcat seems to have gone up in 'value' or 'price' if you look at it with today's dollars, but if you do the math, you will see it actually takes the same or fewer ounces of gold to buy today as it did 4 years ago.

On Sat, Nov 9, 2024 at 3:37 PM John Grady <jkg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

right on!
saw first F , black convert tan top in showroom window at night , 1960 at 17 , = I am getting one of those one day !
only other car that ever did that to me was 53-54 v8 stude stick .
Maybe 70 challenger butntnirsnge 440 convert

That stude was powder blue, red “leather “inside — after reading about Studeillacs bring made on Long Island
hmmm
. That would have given F a good run!
especially today, 500” cad T 400 . but got old … still —a 12 sec car

esOn Nov 9, 2024, at 4:06 PM, Tom Wilburn <tomwilburn1@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

As someone that just spent more than this restoring an F, I have to say it may not have been a good investment, but I love the car.

Tom

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On Nov 9, 2024, at 3:19 PM, dplotkin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:

I looked for an F for over 20 years without finding one in a condition I could live with. Nobody would sell me their beautiful F coupe.

But I'd find G's aplenty. In good condition, fairly priced and I nearly pulled the trigger twice. But then I stopped myself. I knew when I came out to the garage at night to sit among the cars I'd look at the G and no amount of lighting, squinting or pretending would make it an F

Some describe the 61 Chrysler facelift as a vulgar defacement. I wouldn't go that far.

After all, I own a 1961 Plymouth.

Danny Plotkin

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From: "John Grady" <jkg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, November 8, 2024 7:19am
To: "Carl Bilter" <cbilter@xxxxxxxxx>
Cc: "Nick Taylor" <nicksgaragesd@xxxxxxxxx>, "Kurt Brueske" <kurt.brueske@xxxxxxxxx>, chrysler-300-club-international@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: {Chrysler 300} Jay Leno “Assess and Caress” Episode - 300G

agree totally , I had a nice white G coupe along with 2-3 F ~ 30 years ago . G was the best of lot, all original rust free Nevada car off a Reno used car lot , drove it home to Boston .

To be honest , first thought was parts for F . All grey prime under , zero rust

But it was too good , so paint etc

But I could not shake the feeling that I just don't like the styling , front and especially rear. Later a black G convert with air came along , same thing .

One day I just decided I want F not G sold both G.

I think over time G and F will further separate in value . Whereas E has come to look really good ( to me) E used to seem a step back …

Agree totally on your $ numbers too .

Another aspect of $ is the fact that our $ are way lower in purchasing power , hard to factor into thinking as we are older ..

A new 440 challenger convert cost me 3000$ in 1970 , today they want almost 100 k for Jeep GW or F 150

etc . 30:1 ? No way am I ever paying that level money for those cars .

Even today’s money !

If you factor that in , we may be losing value now . I have to remind myself it is now play money . Saw a 2.50 coke , i remember .05 . I mean it is colored water ( free?) and spoon of sugar . 50 x ?

.39 Macdonald s burger , can't get out of there under 10$ now , tricky pricing , “1$ special” , but $ 2. .49 for 10 french fries .

I never cared a great deal about $ in cars , just went after ones I liked . So 59 Rambler Cross Country ( front seat makes a bed) Desoto Adventurers, D500 converts, XKE v12 , an Amg V12 roadster , 70 Imperial coupe 300 CD couoe , 70’s Dodge trucks, first year Vioer , 36 Packard Super 8 roadster , Austin Healey aluminum LeMans ( put V8 in that ), 60 vette FI , 55 Bird , even a real Hemi Cuda stick came and went .

I never felt I overpaid , why hassle about it 5-10% if you want it — but that number for a G is 3 x my reality.

On the other hand I have spent just as much on restoring a 15-20k Studebaker as a 300F

as I really like 50-54 stude coupes

To each his own .., $ not the point ?

But if you buy the 6 over some kind of $ issues , when you really wanted the 8 you will always be unhappy

Been there ….

Interesting subject ..

On Nov 7, 2024, at 10:13 PM, Carl Bilter <cbilter@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Good vid with nice cars.

Relative to the G, I agree with Nick (I can't comment on the other two), especially as a hardtop.

G hardtops have come down in the last five years, unless they are outstanding fresh restorations, best in class.

This one looks great, although a few underhood details not correct (no hood pad, not 61 alternator, maybe more, didn't pay too much attention), wire wheels (beautiful but may not add value, although many of us like the wires correct or not).

Lighting also helps the cars look perfect, whether they are or not.

But no way worth 135k, not even close.

You won't even see 100k on a G coupe anymore.

And condition 2 and lower falls off sharply. Most older restoration G coupes sales (not perfect but nice) condition 2-3 fall in the 45k to 65k range, some outliers maybe up to 80k, but not 100k and above.

F coupe a little better but not a whole lot.

Convertibles, of course, are much higher.

Carl

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To "Kurt Brueske" <kurt.brueske@xxxxxxxxx>

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Date 11/7/2024 7:59:35 PM

Subject Re: {Chrysler 300} Jay Leno “Assess and Caress” Episode - 300G

I just watched it. Way too optimistic on the value of the car.

On Thu, Nov 7, 2024, 5:48 PM Kurt Brueske <kurt.brueske@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I’m so pleased to see that Jay has resuscitated the “Assess and Caress” series with Donald Osborne…the latest post includes Jay’s 300G front and center.
https://youtu.be/V1lST1o7Nu0?si=rjC_E-mqUogmaGxn

Kurt
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