RE: [Chrysler300] vins

[<john_nowosacki@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

A 'Corvette friend' of mine once told me that there are now more 1967 Corvettes equipped with 427 cubic inch engines registered on the road than GM ever built!

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From: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Roger Schaaf
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 1:28 PM
To: Ben Meisner; Chrysler 300
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] vins

Some may one day say; who were those crazy's who continually waxed poetically about whether or not some old car had the exact same configuration as when built, or had the  vin number that only a "correct" car could have.

Certainly among the extreme of these would probably include those of the Corvette establishment, where for example a 67 Corvette with a nondescript serial number and option list could be worth perhaps 40,000 dollars in perhaps a number 2 condition.  This same car(might look exactly the same going down the road) could be worth close to a million dollars if it had the pedigree of a L-88 with all "proper" documentation.

Now the problem is that "any" Corvette(or you fill in the blank) restorer worth his title is now able to completely duplicate down to the finest details(include build sheets, Protecto Plates, window stickers, engine and component stamping) create "any" model Corvette that he wishes and able to defy "any" expert the ability to determine if this car is "correct" or not.  If you doubt this, just ask any art "expert" how many museums of the world have on display(or auctions have sold), masterpieces by famous and renown artistes that have been examined and appraised by "experts" as authenticate but are in fact well done forgeries.  Counterfeiting a car is a walk in the park compared to this.

Now the Corvette organizations have created their so called "Bloomington Gold, Silver etc etc" and "Duntov" and other such certification systems to ensure that all cars deemed "correct" are indeed so.  

One day I suspect that we will all come to our senses and just enjoy these old cars for what they were and are.  Then quite possibly the days of 2 million dollar Hemi Barracudas(4 to 5 times what a Ferrari 275 GTB 4 will bring--which IMHO is a "real" car)will end and people will see our cars for what they really should be....cars to restore, drive, show, love and enjoy, and not merely objects of whether or not it has the proper birth certification and able to prove it merely by its vin number.

Sometimes all of this correctness reminds me of the old saying of "Pull up the rope, I'm in the boat".

Roger Schaaf
300 B (with an improper 1956 torqueflight, a 1957 rear axle to gain a 2:90 rearend ratio, radial tires, polyurethane paint, Timo(with of course his "bug") windshield and God only knows what other sins,  but naturally the correct vin(and frame stenciling/stamping number that matches the engine).
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Ben Meisner 
  To: Chrysler 300 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 12:01 PM
  Subject: [Chrysler300] vins


  I have watched the writings of the secret markings and now feel compelled to respond. We can duplicate a $50 dollar bill so that even the authorities cannot tell, we can duplicate credit cards, ID, Watches, most everything we come in contact with every day. Believe me there is someone out there who can duplicate (and do) every thing that a 300 has on it , including Vin numbers. This club has done a good job of trying their level best to ensure that 300"S are not clones, But when you add a fender, a rad, a tail light , a floor board, have you not altered the original and hence , cloned a piece of that car. My hidden serial number for my E is located on the top side of the frame on the passenger drivers side. If you want to check you have to take the body off the frame . The fellow who re painted my E ( which makes it not original) took the vin plate off, I told everyone in the club and they said put it back as best as possible. Short of shooting the guy who did it I'll have 
 to live with it. The car is original , as best as I could make it. , and that in my mind is what it is all about. There always will be those who will work the system, human greed is such and people in this club will I am sure try their best to weed out the fakes as they always have . Trying to hide behind a secret identifying mark tends to portray all of us as fakes that can't be trusted and that simply is not true. 

  Meisner
  Canada 

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