Re: [Chrysler300] Causion

["Roger Schaaf" <obiwan10@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

14.00 per hour at this store for these guys.   You are correct that I did
not buy the tires there as they do not sell Diamondbacks, however have
purchased 6 new sets of tires from these guys the past 4 years.  My family
members and neighbors have also given their business to these folks.  The
last set cost me 280.00 per tire for my XJR Jag(18 inch wheels).  So I am
not just an average rumdum customer who buys his tires elsewhere at a cheap
price and have someone else mount them just to save a few bucks.  My real
point was that never trust anyone to mount your tires if you are not there
to watch and guide.  In fact I hate to have any work of any kind done on my
cars or motorcycles by any shop where I can not watch the action.  As most
of us know and can all relate tales of woe, a large percentage of them are
totally incompetent, will cheat you royally when given the opportunity, sell
you much of what you do not need at grossly inflated labor charges(perhaps
you all have not heard of the so called "flat rate scheme" so popular in
California.  I know there are many honest competent shops out there, but
picking the pepper out of the flyspecks is about as hard as buying the right
stocks that will be going up and not be going down.  So I do most all of my
own work and service where possible.  I have the same feeling when eating in
restaurants where I cannot see what is going on in the kitchen.  Would
probably really give me a good case of religion if I did however.

Taping or gluing weights on the insides of the wheels is what I was
suggesting as a method to almost get a good dynamic balance in the hands of
a competent tire guy using a decent balancer.  Most guys either cannot or
will not take the time(preferring to just pound a bunch of weights on the
outside of your multi-hundred dollar aluminum or wire wheels).

Take a look at the beat up edges of some of the aluminum wheels that you
will see on late model cars.  Much of what you see could be curb rash, but a
large percentage of it, is the result of mounting/dismounting of tires using
machines not designed to protect these wheels from damage and or poorly
trained technicians who should be doing some other line of work.  Someone
else noted too, those who just "cinch" them up with their 400 ft pound air
wrench, thereby stripping threads or warping hubs and wheels.  Watch the
action when they remove your lug bolts with their 400 pound air wrench when
they are doing your reverse threads on your 300.

Does all this make anyone else want to watch next time you get your tires
mounted at Costco?

Roger Schaaf
300 B Calif
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ray Jones" <hurst300@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Warren Anderson" <wranderson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: "Listserver" <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>;
<macthehammer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Roger Schaaf" <obiwan10@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 2:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Causion


> There were 2 basic problems with this tire story.
> First and foremost, THEY did NOT sell the tires. (So don't care much)
> Secondly, anybody working there for minimum wage isn't that interested
> in mounting  "Problem"  tires, not to mention "tubes". What the heck
> are they?. Most kids have never  seen them.
>
> And if they didn't know how to  balance Statically (just measure the
> wheel and push some buttons on the Balancer), they don't need to work
> on my tires.
>
> Before retiring, I worked at an Acura dealer and was the NSX tech. Had
> to mount and balance tires on them and each tire was different. Fronts
> and Backs and Lefts and Rights. You just had to focus!
>   I always spun the bare rim first and marked it's heavy spot, if any.
> Then when balancing the tire/rim assembly, if the heavy spot was near
> where the rims heavy spot was,  I broke it down and shifted the tire
> around the rim to get a better (less or no weight) balance.
>
> And when balancing, I hid stick-on  weights behind the webs, almost
> dynamic balancing. I deal now with a "good ol' boy" Rural shop, and
> they mount everything from 8" wheelbarrow tires to 38" Heavy equipment
> tires. Some with tubes and tread liners. They also have a pipe bender
> and custom make duals....you ought to hear my Dakota!
>
> Ray
>
> It's getting time for y'all to be polishing up your rides for the
> Spring Meet! Be there, or be Square!  Ray Jones
>
> On Jan 4, 2005, at 11:02 AM, Warren Anderson wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> A couple of years ago I replaced my bias Remington's with Diamondback
> >> radials(had to do this twice as on the first set the whitewalls all
> >> turned
> >> brown).  I had ordered them by phone and when they arrived by UPS, I
> >> threw
> >> them in my B and headed for the local tire store to have them mounted.
> > Mind
> >> you this was a store called Wheel Works and they were one of many
> >> stores
> > of
> >> a large chain of tire stores who you would assume would know something
> > about
> >> tires and TUBES.
> >
> >
> > We have seen a number of serious problems generated by tire shops. Big
> > chain
> > tire shops and local specialists. One common big mistake they make is
> > in the
> > use of air tools to reach final wheel fastener torque. With or without
> > 'Torque Sticks', air wrenches on street driven vehicles cause a lot of
> > problems. I did notice that the Flagstaff Sam's Club tire shop uses
> > manual
> > torque wrenches.
> >
> > A rotating static balance can be accomplished with weights in only one
> > plain. The dynamic balance is only accomplished with wheel weights in
> > two
> > planes (when weights are required).
> >
> > It is good practice to powder (talc and I have used baby powder when I
> > did
> > not have tire talc) the inside of tires when tubes are used. Always
> > inflate
> > fully and deflate then reinflate to road use pressure.
> >
> > Tire shops that deal with passenger car tires and truck tires should
> > have
> > people that can deal with tube tires in an expert manner.
> >
> > We are not a tire shop but do work with tires like the ones on a local
> > fleet
> > of Hummers http://hummeraffair.com/. The tires are bias ply things from
> > Mickey Thompson as all radial tire production is supposedly going to
> > Iraq.
> > Run flats for these vehicles are GREASE lubricated between the outer
> > and
> > inners. These we will not be working with; one very good man, one
> > hard, full
> > day to change out four tires we have been told.
> >
> > Warren Anderson
> > Sedona,AZ
> >
> >
>
>




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